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Fore
04-14-2016, 01:01 AM
Regarding the thought of having the Holy Spirit bless an ET ship I want to do a rapid thought experiment. I want you all to clear your mind and think and visualize something. Don't think about it, I just want your instinctive thought. Imagine you are outside and see a UFO hovering overhead. You pray for the Holy Spirit to come and bless the ship. As you do you see the Holy Spirit slowly move toward the hovering ship. You can watch this happen as your awareness is following right behind the Holy Spirit. You see the Holy Spirit enter the ship and begin to bless it. NOW think quickly at the moment the ship is blessed what is the first thing that happens in your imagination?




I can think of two things that could happen. One is not interesting and one is really interesting. The interesting thing would be if our first instinct is that the ship crashes immediately. (< Highlight) If that were true it may mean the ship is also a manifestation or at least not natural.

Did anyone imagine what I wrote in white?

LMAFO...

Exactly what I thought. A pop and bang.

atmjjc
04-14-2016, 02:09 AM
I've been busy attempting to do a Holy Spirit trade of the current loop for a more "augmented" natural one. A like for like as it were (I did ask gently, with the usual provision of it doesn't have to happen, and boy does it dive into action.) It appears to have occurred in a fashion... that particular force was very busy... the only problem is that the activation seems to go off at the oddest of times, and I'm still affected by phenomena that occurred before; so it seems to be loop+ edition, but with a far gentler activation pressure, and several things I'm not 100% familiar with.

So, today I started working on a piece of equipment while a class was still present, and while doing that suddenly I go through a gentle activation phase, which I'm pretty sure is caused by the presence of another PSI sensitive individual. However, to characterize the oddities I became aware of the area around me, as if it had been lit up, and the central forehead vent activated; I had this sense of light flowing/shining from it into the surrounding environment, and the dust particles passing though it. I know it wasn't light, but it certainly had to be similar to a form of very diffuse influence; sensing the dust particles in the air was... different, and the influence concerned might not have been diffuse, but it seemed that way.

To characterize it another way, the emitted influence was characteristically me, and I felt it all as though it were me; more like extending it as a form of limb, with all the sensory feedback you would expect if it were non-solid. Although it was in response to something I did not receive any feedback from that something, nor do I think I spotted it. I was a bit more concerned at sorting out the problem at hand, and getting the hell out of there before something went wrong.

I'll keep you appraised of what happens, it's all very experimental, and I suspect I'll need to relearn a few things. Not spotted an Angel to ask for comment yet, although there was an odd reaction somewhere when I pondered what would happen if I asked the Holy Spirit to "bless" an ET ship... I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

I’m just going over the conversations that you and Fore have and found some striking similarities. Is this you guys Fore and Ponti?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JmA2ClUvUY

:angel_not:

Fore
04-14-2016, 02:55 AM
Atmjjic, when you find someone else who shares your experience as some kind of fellow "~time traveler~" who does share some of the same experience(s). Please, Let us all know.


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By the way, I wasn't making fun of you in your thread. Your post reminded me of the video. So I posted it.
If you took offense, I apologize and ask for it be removed.

Eventually one of us has to grow up. If you won't do it, then I will. (hehe, sorry the joke seemed appropriate at the time of this writing.)

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P.S. The less you know, the more like gibberish the phrases, terms and references it sounds like.
If you actually knew more, you'd (probably) be genuinely surprised.

Fore
04-14-2016, 03:14 AM
I face the subtle irony within myself that the guy in the last post claims to have talked with ET's.

Yet, strangely seems not to be clued in to anything coming out of this keyboard. Interesting.

So much so, that he refers to it as literal "gibberish".

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Watch as he writes, I am sure there would be absolutely no parallels if it is not a work of fiction.
If there are any interesting parallels, I am sure he will have eureka moment.

In fact, I am sure his (supposed) experience will be completely unique and totally unfamiliar in all of the worlds history.
A first, never before seen event....that has only happened...I don't know...about 20 thousand+ times this year to God knows how many.

Sure, gibberish. I am guessing this guy is not in the club (probably most don't want to ever be in the first place).

Lets really hope the ET's never teach him first hand the A B C's with painstaking clarity and detail etched into his memory the true meaning behind each phrase and comment.

Then again, if one had, he sure should/would know.

<A big MYSTERY shrug>

The man is a walking enigma?

atmjjc
04-14-2016, 04:08 AM
I face the subtle irony within myself that the guy in the last post claims to have talked with ET's.

Yet, strangely seems not to be clued in to anything coming out of this keyboard. Interesting.

So much so, that he refers to it as literal "gibberish".

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Watch as he writes, I am sure there would be absolutely no parallels if it is not a work of fiction.
If there are any interesting parallels, I am sure he will have eureka moment.

In fact, I am sure his (supposed) experience will be completely unique and totally unfamiliar in all of the worlds history.
A first, never before seen event....that has only happened...I don't know...about 20 thousand+ times this year to God knows how many.

Sure, gibberish. I am guessing this guy is not in the club (probably most don't want to ever be in the first place).

Lets really hope the ET's never teach him first hand the A B C's with painstaking clarity and detail etched into his memory the true meaning behind each phrase and comment.

Then again, if one had, he sure should/would know.

<A big MYSTERY shrug>

The man is a walking enigma?

LOL Fore your in the last post.

You want to pick a fight with me Fore. I am not a choir boy, so I suggest you learn how to fight.

Still no ET's here Fore from you. What's the matter they don't like you no more. One second you say we need to act like adults than two posts later you start. So throw stones...pst you throw like a girl. Practice up.:angel_not:

oops, sorry you going to run to the admins now.

Fore
04-14-2016, 06:15 AM
LOL Fore your in the last post.

You want to pick a fight with me Fore. I am not a choir boy, so I suggest you learn how to fight.

Still no ET's here Fore from you. What's the matter they don't like you no more. One second you say we need to act like adults than two posts later you start. So throw stones...pst you throw like a girl. Practice up.:angel_not:


Just forget it.

Reasonable people can resolve problems. People who aren't being reasonable cannot.

You do your thing and i'll do mine. Live and let live. (or something like that)


oops, sorry you going to run to the admins now. I leave it instead in Gods' hands.
Out of the two of us, He'll know best.

My reasoning to do anything would probably be based on some absurd stupidity in either case. Something like misplaced pride or whatever.

newyorklily
04-14-2016, 07:04 AM
LOL Fore your in the last post.

You want to pick a fight with me Fore. I am not a choir boy, so I suggest you learn how to fight.

Still no ET's here Fore from you. What's the matter they don't like you no more. One second you say we need to act like adults than two posts later you start. So throw stones...pst you throw like a girl. Practice up.:angel_not:

oops, sorry you going to run to the admins now.
OK, let me give you a review of the rules of this board..

Atmjic and Fore: This is The Sanctuary. There are no fights here. If you two want to fight, take it to PM.
This board is a safe haven for people to share their experiences. There will be no criticizing of others because their experiences are different than yours.

Sansanoy: I suggest you start your own thread about your experiences and ideas. If you need any help with that, just ask any of the staff.

Gentlemen, keep it civil in here!

Sent from my LGLS660 using Tapatalk

Fore
04-14-2016, 07:56 AM
@ NewYorkLily

A Request that you consider moving the "Time Travel" thread from [Insider Revelations] to [Minds Eye]. (Sanctuary section)
Also request that the thread "DEMONIC or ET any first hand ENCOUNTERS?" from [Encounters] to [The Other Side].

pontificator
04-14-2016, 09:38 AM
Regarding the thought of having the Holy Spirit bless an ET ship I want to do a rapid thought experiment. I want you all to clear your mind and think and visualize something. Don't think about it, I just want your instinctive thought. Imagine you are outside and see a UFO hovering overhead. You pray for the Holy Spirit to come and bless the ship. As you do you see the Holy Spirit slowly move toward the hovering ship. You can watch this happen as your awareness is following right behind the Holy Spirit. You see the Holy Spirit enter the ship and begin to bless it. NOW think quickly at the moment the ship is blessed what is the first thing that happens in your imagination?




I can think of two things that could happen. One is not interesting and one is really interesting. The interesting thing would be if our first instinct is that the ship crashes immediately. (< Highlight) If that were true it may mean the ship is also a manifestation or at least not natural.

Did anyone imagine what I wrote in white?

Err, I actually imagined the onboard ET jumping out of it very quickly. So in a way, close.

Fore
04-14-2016, 10:04 AM
Err, I actually imagined the onboard ET jumping out of it very quickly. So in a way, close.My first reaction was to think of it crashing.

The close second was that it would fly away at high speed.

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But it begs the question, if one of the crafts are materialized (some UBER ET in rare ET literature [not of my own] tend to claim that is the case) then what does happen if a supernatural force works upon it? When I say materialized, I mean made to exist as an object, not as in some technological slight of hand. (Like phasing technology)

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I have tried to pray when the ET are present (many many years ago) and noticed no effects. But then again, I didn't have the same kind of relationship as I do now with God. (uninitialized relationship)

When the UT were present in the same vicinity of the ET, the ET, would really ignore it but some of them would act as if surprised. So I never quite got the real context of what it means. And a UT is an entity that sticks out like a sore thumb, hard to ignore when it is evident and present.

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If you turn around the question and ask, can a UT stop a human being from performing some activity, then the answer is a pretty easy yes. I don't recall having ever really seen a normal human being, being stopped by one. (off the top of my head) But they are pretty noticeable.

Historically, they (UT) haven't had any trouble stopping entire nations from doing any activity. Especially if it is something God wanted done.

So in my mind at least, there is nothing stopping them from doing anything to any physical beings activity, be it a ET or human being.

I would really love to see data on what happens when agendas cross though. In the human world when human kind crosses that line, the UT are known to perform a sanctioned activity without any real thing to stop them.

So I suppose the same would apply to any ET activity. What bugs me though are if ET are held to the same standards as a human being in the sight of the UT watching. The ET at times seems unnecessarily restricted even when ET protocol doesn't have any particular definition against a given activity.

So what is it that impedes certain liberties among the ET? Is it a self-adherence to any specific agenda for the ET or is it something more that I am not seeing?

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While for mankind the UT and everything else is a "story" found in a Bible. For the ET it cannot be seen the same way, especially given the fact that some of them are fully aware of it by virtue of their extended psychic awareness.

Men are literally blind psychically. Some ET are certainly not psychically blind. So how do they square away the UT in their bigger picture?

pontificator
04-14-2016, 12:06 PM
Keep me appraised of your findings, as soon as you do, I'll let you in on some of the stuff I have found in the same vein as what you are doing. I don't want to contaminate your findings.

Also what does the "Holy Spirit" feel like to you when it is around. I am curious if we all sense it the same way or not.

It's very difficult to describe, I can feel it moving into an area more like a resultant force. In terms of me, I tend to feel the resulting action internally, but the producing factor is in my blind spot as it were, as in another layer producing the effect in the influence layer. With a bit more observation I suspect I might get a better idea of the layer influencing the influence as it were; much like what happened when I activated strangely during a class, I don't think the HS was actually around to observe at that moment.

pontificator
04-14-2016, 12:18 PM
When it was working on the loop aspect the force was very exact, but went down more and more to the core cranial area, eventually overlapping the two hemispheres very closely. I did not note it going into the basic areas of the brain stem, or the lower so called reptile brain, nor did it reach where "I" was; the bit of me that observes/thinks about everything, and allowed me to cause a few problems for the orange-lit ET in the first encounter. The force felt just like that, a force, and did not cause outgoing influence production, so there was no crushing sensation at the skull surface. My impression was that it was reforming things rather than replacing them, but I was not able to ascertain exactly what it was doing, as there appeared to be no real PSI feedback from it to interrogate.

Sansanoy
04-14-2016, 04:25 PM
Sansanoy: I suggest you start your own thread about your experiences and ideas. If you need any help with that, just ask any of the staff.



I guess I am a little confused as I was asked about those experiences and I considered them on topic as it refers to the higher mind which is one of the topics of the original post. We are over 2000 posts is there a new topic that has developed that I should be following?

Fore
04-14-2016, 05:50 PM
When it was working on the loop aspect the force was very exact, but went down more and more to the core cranial area, eventually overlapping the two hemispheres very closely. I did not note it going into the basic areas of the brain stem, or the lower so called reptile brain, nor did it reach where "I" was; the bit of me that observes/thinks about everything, and allowed me to cause a few problems for the orange-lit ET in the first encounter. The force felt just like that, a force, and did not cause outgoing influence production, so there was no crushing sensation at the skull surface. My impression was that it was reforming things rather than replacing them, but I was not able to ascertain exactly what it was doing, as there appeared to be no real PSI feedback from it to interrogate.Please let me know more as it happens. I won't say anything because it is more important to take down your observations and compare them with mine.

Your findings are extremely useful.

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I would like to share with you one thing.

I noticed that if you repeat the prayer at spaced intervals the Holy Spirits effort sometimes seems to intensify. I also noticed the more individuals are present and praying on the same idea, the more intense the response.

(Respectfully to the Holy Spirit)
I still consider it a major mystery on why the magnitude seems to be affected by certain factors.
Why do more individuals signify a greater reaction?
Why does praying at intervals (sometimes) intensify the application of the Holy Spirit?

Being in a sincere prayer seems to bring it around. But if you pray without sincerity, it is as if there is no consistent response.

There also seems to be a delay at times from the response, but it is unclear as to why. I suspect it may be that somehow it could be busy elsewhere....but that doesn't really make sense. Because technically it would be attending to billions of people across a wide geography.

So is the delay caused by some other factor?

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Let me know if you (or anyone else) can fill in the gaps.
And as always, I conduct research for my own sake of understanding (and hopeful to pass it on to others), and I do so fully aware of the respect needed for the phenomena being studied.

@ Pontif

Could you also take down notes on the size of the area being affected by the "force" you observe. Where it entry comes from (or from which direction(s)? As well as the time between initiated prayer and its response?

pontificator
04-15-2016, 10:08 AM
@Fore, so far the area affected seems to be restricted to what I'm asking it to affect, so I do not detect anything outside of those boundaries as it were; mind you, I've been pretty broad in other matters, like bless location X, expel evil from street Y, increase beneficial yield in location Z to improve situation; a lot of locations are outside my immediate detection range, so not everything is observed, but I suppose I could try to RV the area simultaneously, but I don't think it'll help.

In terms of location, essentially it's simply moving into the area to be affected as though from thin air, I'd probably need to be a bit more perceptive of its existence to actually pin down "it came from there". That is, naturally, a work in progress.

As for time from prayer to effect, I'm not seeing lag, it seems to actually occur even as I'm going through the parameters of the request; I tend to be more conversational, in terms of thinking things through, in terms of this particular prayer type. I also tend to think and analyze various aspects of the request as it is being made, noting the potential pitfalls, and exactly why I think the matter of the request is needed; blessing locations, sorting out spiritual matters in a location etc I really don't think those need the "this is needed because" analysis. Currently, I'm sorting out the details surrounding a bit of extra language support, but nailing down the need vs potential for abuse is actually hard, and I'm working on a protocol for use there.

Fore
04-17-2016, 05:03 PM
What do you think the after effects are of the "Holy Spirit" manipulating that psychic structure at the top of your head?

What changed (if anything) after it's intervention? Any noticeable differences or is it just the same?

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Also what did you experience physically/mentally/psychically as it touched the structure?

I know you have already described it, but I would like to know some of the observations in more detail.

pontificator
04-18-2016, 01:28 PM
What do you think the after effects are of the "Holy Spirit" manipulating that psychic structure at the top of your head?
I mainly requested a substitution, effectively a reconstruction, of the structure with an equivalent of the same capability and any suitable extras. This appears to have occurred in a fashion, but as it is effectively the same "model" as it were with extras I'm not quite familiar with I'm currently not expecting too much beyond the previous capabilities, and the after effects should match this. I was also expecting there would be some side-effects of exposure, but how those would manifest would depend on what was allowed/permitted; I frankly don't know how far that can go.


What changed (if anything) after it's intervention? Any noticeable differences or is it just the same?

Well, there was the "lighting up" effect during work, which effectively seemed as though I'd lit up from within the cranium with a psychic level light source, but which also exited through all the normal expected areas. That was quite unexpected, but also seemed "clean" in a way, I'd say it's close to how the system should actually operate with enhancements; none of the influence over-loading. It was also very noticeable that I could immediately understand all the feedback once I'd worked out what was going on [work out what's happening -> work out what I'm looking at via "minds eye".] Actually, now I think on it further, the effect was perfectly conveyed in the minds-eye, I effectively viewed the effect externally and worked out that I was sensing dust particles passing through the emitted light.

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Also what did you experience physically/mentally/psychically as it touched the structure?

Psychically I am aware it is there, and that it is overlaying the area to be affected exactly, with no apparent leakage [unlike an ET, which fills the area to be affected + a bit more.] Carefully thinking on it, it did require trust before it would advance further, and I note that when I think carefully on it that it pops back up again in a fashion; I note that, unlike psychic entities, it instantly affects the internal structures, there is no deployment of the temple structures, but the ring does get a bit of a working out. I note it is very heme-spherically active.

Hmm, with it currently active in a fashion I note that the "minds-eye" is actually the observation mechanism for this type of ability and entity, or at least it currently seems to be far useful than it was before; I'll need to work on this, it's working a bit differently and seems to be a 1 to 1 representation without requiring the elements of the object library that the higher-mind needs training with. Hmmm, might be some of the extras that were requested, I cannot be sure that the object library has not been substituted, or pre-populated.


I know you have already described it, but I would like to know some of the observations in more detail.

I've also noted that following this particular path of study that I've gained a much stronger sense of practical moral will-power, or at least I'm a bit more grounded at the moment. This is something I'd like to keep an eye on, as I'm not sure if there is a decay pattern associated with it and exposure to the Holy Spirit; although I suspect it might be re-enforcing with more exposure. Not spotted anything supernatural to comment any further, but the usual activation locations around the city seem to be non-activation spots now, but I can still detect them. I do note the ET side of things has looked in, as I went to a quite different location recently, which they tend to do if I am deviating from my established pattern; their effect is normal, but not prompting hard temple structure deployment, which is far less "unfurl the mainsails" at the moment.

Fore
04-23-2016, 02:04 AM
@ Pontif

Would you like to discuss protocols for enabling a "proper prayer" while evoking some level of protection?

I am thinking it would allow us to figure out when we are doing it better than other times.

Fore
04-25-2016, 11:34 PM
Also, we could use this free site:
http://Draw.io

To create some flow charts and debate what should be considered pertinent in a specific scenario. (all opinion of course)

pontificator
04-27-2016, 11:02 AM
@Fore, I'm currently having a hard time nailing down various factors that arose since the change, when I go and look at something that used to fundamentally work at a certain level I find it working much better or slightly differently. This means a fair bit of reorientation at the moment. For one, my minds-eye [imagination] is working at scary realism level at the moment; doesn't seem to matter how complex the scene required either. There is also a sense of "no need" to work with many things, so that's not helping on some fronts.

So, other than the above, we can go ahead with the protocol. Generally I start by thinking a moment if something could be potentially offensive in some way, there are simple questions that can fall into that category, then preempting as necessary with the "please don't be angry" part. Then I run through the category list of "is this needed", "are there other requirements first", "what is the intended scope of effect", "how can the scope of effect be isolated to something within a smaller set of requirements" where I note wide scope and large areas simply don't seem to work too well; possibly a faith issue, or related to allowable amount of Holy Spirit effect (speculation.)

Throwing in the "imminence" of the request seems to be a big factor in certain effects, so if the prayer has attendant implications of help required now, then it tends to take effect in that way, otherwise it can be more leisurely; but I always note the presence appears there and then, but at differing strength levels as depends the situation. However, this may also depend on the individual.

So, what scenario shall we start with first?

Fore
04-27-2016, 04:36 PM
@Fore, I'm currently having a hard time nailing down various factors that arose since the change, when I go and look at something that used to fundamentally work at a certain level I find it working much better or slightly differently. This means a fair bit of reorientation at the moment. For one, my minds-eye [imagination] is working at scary realism level at the moment; doesn't seem to matter how complex the scene required either. I have noticed what you have noticed.

Seemingly, our experiences and observations are pretty much identical. Surprisingly? Maybe, maybe not.


There is also a sense of "no need" to work with many things, so that's not helping on some fronts. Could you explain a bit more?


So, other than the above, we can go ahead with the protocol. Generally I start by thinking a moment if something could be potentially offensive in some way, there are simple questions that can fall into that category, then preempting as necessary with the "please don't be angry" part. I do the same, keep in mind who we are dealing with.

So I guess that means the first point is to be:
--Mindful and respectful.

Making sure the request isn't contrary to whom (Holy Spirit|God) we are requesting a resource from.


Then I run through the category list of "is this needed", Same here.

Point number 2 is thinking about what is truly necessary (pre-planning). What is actually needed vs what is "it would be nice, but is superfluous in this request" and letting the (Holy Spirit|God) define what is acceptable.


"are there other requirements first",
"what is the intended scope of effect",
"how can the scope of effect be isolated to something within a smaller set of requirements"

So the third steps, are making a logical definition of sequential ordering of the request. As well as establishing the parameters and scope of a request. (area to be affected, defining what characteristics are should be considered necessary for the task, and defining some kind of "opportunistic reduction")

"Opportunistic reduction" I am going to say means defining what is truly the underlying problem and addressing that first.

For example, if you have a financial trouble, then there are probably several reasons why that is the case. There could be mismanagement of money or spending on something that could be flexibly reduced until you no longer are in a financial pinch.

So a prayer would be directed first as a correction of the larger issue (the financial pinch) and then at the actual cause of the problem (help guide me to correct and temper my attitude during a spending behavior).

So therefore you aren't always constantly asking for minor miracles to save your bacon on a continuing basis.


where I note wide scope and large areas simply don't seem to work too well; possibly a faith issue, or related to allowable amount of Holy Spirit effect (speculation.) That is the mystery I want to know an answer to as well. The Holy Spirit seems to have a criteria which is mysterious.

Perhaps it is because we don't know what is weighed in the balance throughout the process?


Throwing in the "imminence" of the request seems to be a big factor in certain effects, so if the prayer has attendant implications of help required now, then it tends to take effect in that way, otherwise it can be more leisurely; but I always note the presence appears there and then, but at differing strength levels as depends the situation. However, this may also depend on the individual.

So, what scenario shall we start with first?Same, I have noticed the same.

Which is puzzling. It means to me that there is more happening in the background that I can't observe or haven't a clue about. (not a complaint at all, but a curious wonderment)

Fore
04-27-2016, 04:59 PM
Why is the hit counter on this thread going at such a high clip from day to day?
Lately, I have been checking it and each day it jumps from 500 views a day to close to a thousand, even though almost no one has logged in.

calikid
04-27-2016, 08:01 PM
Why is the hit counter on this thread going at such a high clip from day to day?
Lately, I have been checking it and each day it jumps from 500 views a day to close to a thousand, even though almost no one has logged in.

I see 273,022
11am here in Cali.
Let's check tomorrow, and confirm increments.
Possible spiders at work, and they do not log in.

pontificator
04-28-2016, 11:32 AM
Why is the hit counter on this thread going at such a high clip from day to day?
Lately, I have been checking it and each day it jumps from 500 views a day to close to a thousand, even though almost no one has logged in.

I wouldn't worry too much, it's probably the cult following this thread ;) Or would it be the cult that came into being due to this thread? *ponders as he walks away stroking his beard*

Now, you asked about the "no need" issue, it's not the same as the apathy issue that pops up from time to time, but is simply a case of sensing "there is no need to attempt to use an ability." Getting around that problem is something on the list, and to be honest I think I'll be starting with trying to quantify the changes that are currently in place. If I seem to be awol from time to time it's probably because I'm here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bjTrPutt4k

Garuda
04-28-2016, 04:18 PM
Why is the hit counter on this thread going at such a high clip from day to day?
Lately, I have been checking it and each day it jumps from 500 views a day to close to a thousand, even though almost no one has logged in.

Guest views are counted as well, not just member views.

Fore
04-28-2016, 08:51 PM
@ Pontif

Just had an "interesting moment" on this side.

For whatever reason, it seems my internal control over my psychic ability seemed to momentarily slip out of my personal control for about 3 or so seconds.
I wasn't doing anything particularly special (listening to music while putting up an account for my work). But I noticed it, as it happened and noticed tiny tremors on the table in front of me.

I thought for a second maybe it was sound that made my attention slip, but I am unsure what it was. It seemed like a lapse of control. A very abrupt one.
The day before I was checking up on a work accounts data, and I noticed as I eased onto the chair that a an abnormal discharge of influence "happened" in front of me.

The monitor in front of me flickered at the same moment as I felt it occur. A few hours later the computer also stopped working yesterday. (didn't make the connection until just now)

I wonder if I need a checkup. (no, that is not an invitation to anyone)

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Normally, the ET's would have done a checkup if they noticed it, or if I requested it, but I can't (and won't) take that option.
Its a very strange experience to notice a loss of psychic control even if momentary.
The interesting thing is that I am not using it (psychic abilities) for anything and haven't for a very long time.
Yet the loss of higher level control is really disturbing.

I noticed it this time (today) much more than yesterday.
I don't know how to describe it, but I felt the control slip "as if" when you physically have an involuntary movement of an arm.
In this case, I noticed today like it was a short momentary loss of feedback and control.
Like having an invisible process under a perpetual grip and then noticing the force of the grip suddenly loosen without telling it to and then without anything it returned to normal by itself.

The frequency of this has to be roughly every 24 hours. In the last two days.

All I know is I don't want to let it be known to you know whom (ET) and start that up again. That would be stupid.
Worrying about it seems to be the only thing left to do.
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Have you been doing anything really odd over there?

Edit: The only things that come to mind is:
That maybe I have a disease developing somewhere that is inhibiting my level of internal control? (I feel fine, though, better than ever, if anything.)
Or
Something is at some point present and is affecting my level of control and I don't notice it at all? (Very possible)
Or
Somehow I have finally reached an inactivity level where I can no longer keep it suppressed and under control. (possible, which means getting rid of the invisible extensions or figuring out a work around?)
Or
Just a developing defect which needs some ET to take a look at it and re-tune settings and structures. (won't ever happen)

calikid
04-28-2016, 11:02 PM
I see 273,022
11am here in Cali.
Let's check tomorrow, and confirm increments.
Possible spiders at work, and they do not log in.

Today cumulative hit totals= 273,369
Yesterday cumulative totals=273,022
2pm here in Cali
Total views past 27hrs = 347


We do get spikes in viewership for various reasons, that may temporarily elevate views.
But these totals about what I would expect, for normal visitation by members/visitor/spiders.
BTW, one of THE MOST viewed/popular threads on the forum. ;)

A99
04-29-2016, 12:54 AM
Oh, so this thread is one of those "idea farms" for science fiction writers. I wondered about that. lol

pontificator
04-29-2016, 01:28 AM
@ Pontif

Have you been doing anything really odd over there?


Not intentionally, I popped over because the activation cycle occurred a little earlier than usual, normally it's mid-day, but this started around 11:15am. I do note that reading your text right now is producing firm feedback, as it normally used to do, so something could be monitoring this moment a bit more intensely right now [I note an uptick on mentioning that, so it's probable.] I'll see if the "hop" via lines-of-association ability is working in conjunction with minds-eye, and do a little investigation. Things are probably working a bit differently right now, so I'll need to be a bit careful.

newyorklily
04-29-2016, 02:04 AM
Today cumulative hit totals= 273,369
Yesterday cumulative totals=273,022
2pm here in Cali
Total views past 27hrs = 347


We do get spikes in viewership for various reasons, that may temporarily elevate views.
But these totals about what I would expect, for normal visitation by members/visitor/spiders.
BTW, one of THE MOST viewed/popular threads on the forum. ;)
I had the same happen with My Encounters thread for a while. That was a few years ago though. I haven't checked it recently.

Sent from my LGLS660 using Tapatalk

Fore
04-29-2016, 02:30 AM
http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?854-3-Min-News

3 Min News: 128,509 :confused:

Puts on a foreman cap:

Someone needs to put their back "into it" to keep it popular. I am competing with Doc on two fronts. <cracks whip>
I expect daily updates on that thread to keep Docs Sci-Fi thread (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?t=399) reaching for 7 digits! <cracks whip>

@ Thread Maintainer
Now get back to work. :p

Edit: Is this what they call a shameless plug of another thread?

L-W
05-03-2016, 03:37 PM
If I request God's or Angels' help; is it necessary or optimal to state your geographical location aswell as your name?

L-W
05-03-2016, 11:36 PM
Also does same apply if you ask ET for help?

Skickat från min SM-G928F via Tapatalk

Fore
05-04-2016, 12:46 AM
If I request God's or Angels' help; is it necessary or optimal to state your geographical location aswell as your name?Nope, it (God/Holy Spirit) as far as I can tell seems to know where you are.

As to an Angel/UT, that is a good question, I do not really fully know.
It seems like they are directed in their activities from some kind of chain of authority. (Best estimation on my part)
Some of them stated that God directs their activity. Others said that some kind of higher Angel directs their intervention...and I assume they take their orders from higher on up the chain leading ultimately to God. (?)

They (Angels/UT) do witness things around/below them, from what I know at least. It seems they notice what goes on in the world in some sense.

Though there seems to be different types. Some remain on the ground and are nearby. Other types stay above the ground and only come down to intervene. Some just sort of direct their communication from where they are in the air without coming down.

It depends.

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I don't think that you'd need to state your geographical location (but it doesn't hurt to try). Try it and see if it works any better than not doing so.

What does seem to be necessary in so much as geographical location (IMO) is to state mentally (visualize) or speak audio-ably what you are referring to in a prayer.

In other words, if you need someone healed, and you don't actually know where their location is because you aren't there in the immediate vicinity, it may help if you are made aware of that info first. Or at least provide some type of info as to what you are referring to in a prayer.

Keep in mind, to fill in the blanks and be specific. That is probably what works best. (try and report back what you find one way or the other.)

Fore
05-04-2016, 12:50 AM
Also does same apply if you ask ET for help?

Skickat från min SM-G928F via TapatalkET's are just mostly like you or me.

I am unsure if they can hear your prayer, but I am sure they can hear what is going on in your mind if they just happen to be focused on listening to you or your specific area for some particular reason. (?)

I would not shout on a street corner for help, because you never know what stranger will come up to you, or on what terms they would. I would avoid going down that road for many good reasons.

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And for that matter I would not shout/broadcast in a similar manner for the inherent danger of some non-God aligned entity of a spiritual nature to hear you and eventually come to you.

There are probably many entities who have seen you come and go from location to location over your entire life span to this day, that you probably didn't even notice were present there in the background. It is a good idea never to open that Pandora box.

pontificator
05-04-2016, 11:25 AM
@Fore, asked Holy spirit to "bless" a multitude of entities I've come across. I have survived... no apparent ill effects so far, but then again no noticeable effects in my location at all; possibly only takes effect on location of entity itself, if at all. I'll let you know if anything distressed comes my way.

L-W
05-04-2016, 11:52 PM
Disclaimer: The things stated in this post, are my personal speculations. The truth may differ.

Okay here comes some very important questions;

If we assume - according to my theory - that incarnated entities reside within what I call space/time (we can orientate in space, time is fixed), disincarnated entities reside in time/space (we can orientate in time(?), space is fixed).

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In space/time, we can do our "souls homework", by entering the veil of forgetfulness. We, on earth, are on the brink of becoming a telepathic society like our star neighbours.
But at the moment we are not telepathic, thus we are able to think all kinds of depraved thoughts, analyze our darkest secrets, becoming who we want to be etc. - in seclusion from one anothers mind-thought-processes.

++ Thus, space/time is where the statue is forged in the fire, so to speak. This is where evolution takes place. Alot of work is being done in this portion of the creation. Especially if under the veil of forgetfulness ++

Then we have time/space. Here we have access to a greater network of information, although isolated within the parameters of the natural laws and physics of time/space itself. Whatever those are.

++ It appears to me that time/space is where the healing of our emotional wounds and planning of the next incarnation into a space/time takes place. THIS IS WHERE WE GO WHEN WE DIE. And sometimes when we sleep. ++

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The higher you are in the spiritual hierarchy of the universe. The more access you have to time/space, whilst occupying a physical space/time vehicle. I would guess they so called 'daydream', alot more in those higher densities/levels of evolution.

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My questions are:

# What are the pros and cons of a space/time entity versus a time/space entity, in terms of power?
Lets say I'm having a battle with a dark entity, at any time. Lets say, about something egoistical like who is most pure or strong. Non ET/UT/Angelic. What advantages and disadvantages do I have versus them?

# What kind of body/vehicle are they using in time/space?

L-W
05-05-2016, 12:32 AM
Maybe someone should make a copy of this thread. We saw what happened with the old Open Mind's Forum.

Fore
05-05-2016, 12:52 AM
@Fore, asked Holy spirit to "bless" a multitude of entities I've come across. I have survived... no apparent ill effects so far, but then again no noticeable effects in my location at all; possibly only takes effect on location of entity itself, if at all. I'll let you know if anything distressed comes my way.I am not at all surprised that nothing happened (a null result).

You are seemingly asking for a contradiction of spiritually established events.

(If we are talking about dead spirituals who aren't UT or the like)

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I think it might work if it is someone who died (human) and is still eligible (somehow?) to go somewhere else. Not sure if a blessing covers that eventuality though.

In other words, it seems like the given instruction probably contradicts other established rules. So not too surprised that nothing happened.

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Why don't you try to ask for the removal of an entity that you know for sure is a bad spiritual entity. (well, if its not from God, and then it almost always is bad, isn't it?)

Though you might want to preface your prayer with protection first, and then, ask for the removal. Otherwise, the entity will attack you...and since you don't have protection...what happens, happens.

Let me know how many you tick off as you do that. Should be spectacular.

Fore
05-05-2016, 01:32 AM
Disclaimer: The things stated in this post, are my personal speculations. The truth may differ.

Okay here comes some very important questions;

If we assume - according to my theory - that incarnated entities reside within what I call physical space/influence space/spiritual space/time (we can orientate in space, time is transitionary at a rate of 1.0). While disincarnated entities reside in -physical space-/influence space/spiritual space/time. They can be encountered, but they have no physical presence in physical space.
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In physical space/influence space/spiritual space/time, we can do our "souls homework", by entering the veil of forgetfulness. We, on earth, are on the brink of becoming a telepathic society like our star neighbours.
But at the moment we are not telepathic, thus we are able to think all kinds of depraved thoughts, analyze our darkest secrets, becoming who we want to be etc. - in seclusion from one anothers mind-thought-processes. I understand it is your theory on life. But I do not see that being a telepathic society would readily impede the nature of an individual.

I am pretty sure even ET have depraved thoughts every now and then. Probably more frequently than a human being?

<Shrug>

It seems unless there is a societal curtailment of a propensity (depraved thoughts) the only difference would probably be how you share information between each other. That, and how often you have to deal with one anothers internal world.

Think about it, in actuality, you have to deal with everyone elses inner world through their physically manifested words and actions. It means you get glimpses into their thought process from the way they behave. As opposed to a telepathic society where you would probably not need to guess as much as to what the other persons intent is.




++ Thus, physical space/influence space/spiritual space/time is where the statue is forged in the fire, so to speak. This is where evolution takes place. Alot of work is being done in this portion of the creation. Especially if under the veil of forgetfulness ++ Hmm, if you want to see it that way.

Though if you are subscribing to the idea of re-incarnation, then the forgetfulness would be due to the living physical tissue you are incarnated in presenting no information on an identity of yourself; which is largely absent.

In other words, your physical aspect defines what you know about yourself.

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In some ET circles it is popular to mislead....cough...<woops I slipped there>...I mean to let people think that "their identity" can be recovered through non-physical actualization of themselves. I am not too well versed on it since that is foreign to my circle of experience.

But the idea is that an individual is prodded to believe that there is hidden data "on another level" of themselves that carries the information about their long term identity. The identity that supposedly pre-exists to that human body.

The only obvious problem is, that you never know if the ET is in the background futzing or implanting memories which will later define that persons identity and role. Sort of like a high level mind game if you want to think about it that way.

There are fewer spirituals who do that too, apparently much cruder in form and function, it seems.



Then we have physical space/influence space/spiritual space/time. Here we have access to a greater network of information, although isolated within the parameters of the natural laws and physics of physical space/influence space/spiritual space/time itself. Whatever those are.

++ It appears to me that physical space/influence space/spiritual space/time is where the healing of our emotional wounds and planning of the next incarnation into a physical space/influence space/spiritual space/time takes place. THIS IS WHERE WE GO WHEN WE DIE. And sometimes when we sleep. ++

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The higher you are in the spiritual hierarchy of the universe. The more access you have to time/space, whilst occupying a physical physical space/influence space/spiritual space/time vehicle. I would guess they so called 'daydream', alot more in those higher densities/levels of evolution.

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Edward
05-05-2016, 05:26 AM
But the idea is that an individual is prodded to believe that there is hidden data "on another level" of themselves that carries the information about their long term identity. The identity that supposedly pre-exists to that human body.

The only obvious problem is, that you never know if the ET is in the background futzing or implanting memories which will later define that persons identity and role. Sort of like a high level mind game if you want to think about it that way.

There are fewer spirituals who do that too, apparently much cruder in form and function, it seems.

There in lies the various conundrums we have about what is real and what isn't. In respects to Life, memories and experiences.

Edward

Fore
05-05-2016, 10:25 PM
My participation is on hold until Administrators let moderators do their actual assigned job.

If that means my account is forefit, then so be it.

Here you go Garuda, served right on a silver plate for you.
I hope A99, fills the forum with wonderful things.

Garuda
05-06-2016, 06:18 PM
So be it.

pontificator
05-07-2016, 11:44 AM
So be it.
Goodnight gentlemen, and godspeed. This is Pontificator signing off.

calikid
05-07-2016, 02:35 PM
Goodnight gentlemen, and godspeed. This is Pontificator signing off.

You are a member in good standing Pontificator. Welcome back anytime.

lycaeus
10-07-2016, 08:52 PM
Here is an interesting article that reminded me of how Fore and others described seeing the 'Influence' layer of reality. People report seeing green lines, codes, formulas, and, symbols interwoven throughout physical objects around them as if the whole reality has a hidden, coded dimension beneath/beyond it. Some reports include people seeing green 'matrix grids' in the eighties before the movie came out. One person talks about seeing glimpses of light he believes are spirits or angels that interact with our world, but in seemingly restricted ways.


Is the Matrix Real?

Reports from people who have seen it

Update: Thanks to post #10 in this article, we think we have figured out what The Matrix is! Read on to find out.



matrix is real code


While we do think that our spirits are located here in real, physical bodies, we still suspect there is something to the matrix that we, as a group, should figure out. The started to think this when we came across numerous stories that indicate that the matrix is real.

The question is, what in the world is it?

Is it helping keep us all in a group hypnosis?

What can we do to undo its effects?

You decide. Here are the reports:

(http://www.metatech.org/wp/reality-shifts/is-the-matrix-real/)

pontificator
03-24-2017, 05:35 AM
https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/mar/23/dia-worried-soviets-might-try-incept-them/

MuckRock is currently covering a series of declassified documents from the CREST archive. This particular segment they are looking at concerns the usage of Telepathy over an arbitrary distance, with the intent to induce a hypnotic state.
In this case the following are in use:
1) Targeting (part of the superset of the 'lines of association' system. Using the lines of association system is my forte.)
2) Influence construction.
3) Influence modeling.
4) Remote influence manifestation ( A subset of Remote viewing.)

The current documents show that they were able to induce a hypnotic-like state, it would not surprise me if they were able to use a primitive form of thought modeling and influence overlay as well. For the record, I have not tried doing what they are discussing, and it would be rather difficult to find a volunteer who could put up with all the initial painful headaches during practice. I will iterate that what the Russians were doing is what I consider to be "easy" in terms of psychic development for a capable individual, and baby-talk for an extraterrestrial.

calikid
03-25-2017, 01:09 PM
Nice to see you P.
Interesting the research on telepathy the USSR was doing back in 1972, and the almost fanatical efforts by the US DIA to counter.
Makes me wonder IF the research continued; what levels of mind control exist today?

epo333
03-28-2017, 12:55 AM
If you have a bit of time, this guy tells where we are with mind control and AI.

Starts out a bit slow, but gets real involved in a short time.


DARPA Insider says Scientist on Verge of Cataclysmic Discovery FULL VIDEO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKh-_VUllTI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKh-_VUllTI

Wansen
03-28-2017, 07:46 AM
If you have a bit of time, this guy tells where we are with mind control and AI.

Starts out a bit slow, but gets real involved in a short time.


DARPA Insider says Scientist on Verge of Cataclysmic Discovery FULL VIDEO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKh-_VUllTI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKh-_VUllTI

Amazing and more than a bit disturbing.

epo333
03-28-2017, 11:27 PM
Amazing and more than a bit disturbing.

Yup, it surely is.

I have suspected for a long time now, that between mapping the human genome and nano-technology, some ptb are light years ahead of what we in the streets will ever imagine.

A99
03-29-2017, 01:15 PM
Please give us a short summary of what that 'insider' is saying in that video. There really should be a rule here that anyone who posts a You Tube video... should provide forum members here with at least a short summary of what's in the video and it's main point. No offense intended... what I'm requesting is just plain common sense. thanks.

calikid
03-29-2017, 01:51 PM
"Cataclysmic Discovery"? Don't often see those words in the same sentence.
Must potentially rank up there with Oppenheimer's "...destroyer of worlds" discovery.

A99
03-29-2017, 02:17 PM
Well, that's what I want to know too (Cataclysmic Discovery). Just started watching the vid. and when I find out what that whopper of a discovery is, I'll post it here. :)

epo333
03-29-2017, 11:38 PM
Well, that's what I want to know too (Cataclysmic Discovery). Just started watching the vid. and when I find out what that whopper of a discovery is, I'll post it here. :)

What I get from the video is the intentional introduction of the HIVE MIND into human everyday existence.

Research going back to the 70's and up to present day has lead to our ability to inject nano-structures in the human brain to manipulate any condition (voices in your head, dream control(s) etc, etc.) of control desired.

You may get more or less out it than I did.

There were many other topics he spoke of, but that Hive Mind is the pitts!!!

Wansen
03-30-2017, 07:10 AM
Yup, it surely is.

I have suspected for a long time now, that between mapping the human genome and nano-technology, some ptb are light years ahead of what we in the streets will ever imagine.

I concur. The question is will this be used for good or nefarious purposes?

Given Man's predilections for greed I know what my answer is.

A99
04-01-2017, 03:39 PM
What I get from the video is the intentional introduction of the HIVE MIND into human everyday existence.

Research going back to the 70's and up to present day has lead to our ability to inject nano-structures in the human brain to manipulate any condition (voices in your head, dream control(s) etc, etc.) of control desired.

You may get more or less out it than I did.

There were many other topics he spoke of, but that Hive Mind is the pitts!!!

Thanks epo... I need to watch this video again. You're right, he spoke of many new innovations... too many to process in one sitting. The 'hive mind' thing was indeed profoundly disturbing ... I agree. Having said this though, still questioning the veracity of everything he's saying though I'm sure some of what he says in that presentation is probably true on some level, at least to a certain extent. Also want to see how much more I can find out about who this guy is and his background. He's not much of a public speaker though and, in my book, that sorta adds to his realness and credibility.

Fore
04-24-2017, 09:25 AM
https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/mar/23/dia-worried-soviets-might-try-incept-them/

MuckRock is currently covering a series of declassified documents from the CREST archive. This particular segment they are looking at concerns the usage of Telepathy over an arbitrary distance, with the intent to induce a hypnotic state.
In this case the following are in use:
1) Targeting (part of the superset of the 'lines of association' system. Using the lines of association system is my forte.)
2) Influence construction.
3) Influence modeling.
4) Remote influence manifestation ( A subset of Remote viewing.)

The current documents show that they were able to induce a hypnotic-like state, it would not surprise me if they were able to use a primitive form of thought modeling and influence overlay as well. For the record, I have not tried doing what they are discussing, and it would be rather difficult to find a volunteer who could put up with all the initial painful headaches during practice. I will iterate that what the Russians were doing is what I consider to be "easy" in terms of psychic development for a capable individual, and baby-talk for an extraterrestrial.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlXdsyctD50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlXdsyctD50
@ 2:45 - Ideas expressed match similar context said by ET's as an "Un-Ordered Index" (Reality Sans Consciousness)
@ 5:00 - Ideas expressed match a similar concept to "Probability Inertia" and the ET concepts described as a continuum of past and present and future paths.
@ 8:00 - A complex way of expressing the paths of probability.

Fore
04-24-2017, 09:52 AM
@ Pontif

https://youtu.be/dzKWfw68M5U
https://youtu.be/dzKWfw68M5U
@ 4:45 - It is a sorta like saying "Probability Inertia" the reality we live in remains consistent based on the trajectory through time and probability.
It's past matches it's future and it's future matches it's past.
When you have (psychic) ESP observation active though, (and your upper structures and filters are modified) you can glean information from probabilities in your "Probability Inertia". Sort of like a 4D path in a story line. Except you can see into timeframes ahead of you and ~sideways~ that are reasonably likely.

In the ET scheme of things, they'd use that Extra-Sensory Information to read the effects of a future event before they have actually transpired in real time. Then, by using that information, model the present decision to make their future a [directed] reality.

People: Mind reading future states of a group or community to model todays interactions and resulting responses.
Situations: Peering into the various version of events (a cloud of probabilities) and then choosing the logical "cause" in the present to make it a reality.

@5:40 A "timeline" of events is how we see it.

@8:40 Hmm, not surprising he was invited there. (Military Research at the Pentagon)

Fore
04-24-2017, 10:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tafGL02EUOA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tafGL02EUOA

Hidden Variable(s) are probably something (partially) akin to the "Influence" Layer of reality.
Probably a result of Spiritual Connections being embedded in (physical) living tissue.
Spiritual Structures probably required Influence Space and the Malleability of Influence in order to operate correctly(?)

@ 4:00 Yes, but while he doesn't mean Influence in the way I used it (Influence Space), Influence Space does not appear to have real temporal or spatial qualities like we understand it. It can be accessed for information and/or controlling organic systems as long as your have some kind of spiritual structure embedded. Whether harvested or natural.

So even if you make an Artificial Intelligence ET with spiritual-like embedded structures that can interface with influence space like any other living presence...you can get this fancy walking talking organic ET system to read other organic systems (like human beings) Or perform structured tasks and observations of future events or remotely access memory from other nearby creatures (human beings) and even interact with those creatures even if it is not natural nor born.

<shrug>

calikid
04-24-2017, 01:31 PM
Hello fore.
Thanks for sharing.

pontificator
06-12-2017, 01:25 PM
@Fore, I do wonder if the biologically artificial ET types [such as the greys, which were described to me as such] are subject more to their programming than their insistence on following the most apparent beneficial probability. Either approach makes them effectively robotic, but conversely, if this is the case, then does this also mean that precognitively aware beings are effectively making themselves robots; if they allow their actions to be dictated by the surrounding universe's most beneficial probabilities, instead of dictating their own path through them.

With the above in mind, non-precognitive aware Humans are a force unto themselves, and therefore the least robotic beings out of the bunches that we have run into. It might also explain why precognition is classically described as a bad thing, as it could be considered to be making us both less Human and therefore less powerful.

I remember you mentioning a long time ago, about being viewed as the equivalent of an unchained Tiger when accompanying the Advisor during meetings with other beings (from outside the influence commonality sphere from what I could tell.) That you had more freedom of choice was your power, and that was what was most frightening about you to them; from my limited understanding of the situation.

Over my end, they don't seem to check in anymore, but I do notice the occasional interaction with my field. The field I have continues to grow, but I am careful to not try to use it too often. I am aware that if it is not flushed, then the influence will thicken and become dangerous to the underlying biological tissue, so I am keeping the flow up every so often to avoid that eventuality.

To be honest, I do miss ability exploration with you, there is always a certain sense of wonder in finding out something new. However, I am also aware that it causes serious pain your end, so I understand why that must not proceed. As for others, I am quite frankly afraid of causing them serious damage, as I am effectively an enabler of abilities; and we all know how that went in the rather infamous "Pontificator's experiment" thread, when I was far less powerful in that regard. Whatever happened to some of those people, especially the ones that exited the experiment because they started getting abducted/meeting "beings", I'll never know.

*taps chin* Perhaps I should hold a poll, on whether or not people would involve themselves in such a dangerous, and ill-advised, experiment anyway; the results could be rather interesting.

Fore
06-12-2017, 07:09 PM
@Fore, I do wonder if the biologically artificial ET types [such as the greys, which were described to me as such] are subject more to their programming than their insistence on following the most apparent beneficial probability. Either approach makes them effectively robotic, but conversely, if this is the case, then does this also mean that precognitively aware beings are effectively making themselves robots; if they allow their actions to be dictated by the surrounding universe's most beneficial probabilities, instead of dictating their own path through them.

My personal opinion is nuanced.


@Fore, I do wonder if the biologically artificial ET types [such as the greys, which were described to me as such] are subject more to their programming than their insistence on following the most apparent beneficial probability.

I think you may be right that "programming directives" is what guides a grey rather than (like a human being) a random assortment of self-willed spiritual- intent based on circumstances. Though, I am not completely "sold" that the grey are all robots as we define "a robot" (not the mechanical aspects, but the mental aspects).

If I open my mind on that topic I think that ET robots can be more complicated than the sci-fi imagining/renderings that we know of today. I think/know the ET's have found a way to study consciousness in a scientific sense. Including how it is a functioning system that permeates several levels of reality in an authentic being.

When I say "study consciousness" I think an audience may get a wide array of mistaken impressions as to what I really mean vs what they think I mean.

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When I say "Study Consciousness" I mean a literal analysis (and not an introspective one) of what kind of algorithms go into making a dynamic system of "operations" that on a superficial sense makes a living being act the way they do.

The way I still recall the explanation given to me was of a scientific study, of an invisible interplay of "stuff" that can be "seen" and "measured" in an ET lab. Meaning, they imparted that the ET long ago studied living being and all the layers of their presence to figure out what the programming is like between all the distinct layers that make up a living being.

Continued...

Fore
06-12-2017, 07:37 PM
(some of this is paraphrased in my own understanding)

They found that flesh (organic systems) are like a unique way of making "an endpoint" to a being in physicality. But this being exists on several levels. Some of these levels are not obvious but ever present. Some of those levels also have expressions of a living being but that by themselves are not explicitly functional.

(The lamens way of reading that paragraph is that flesh and blood is a unique way of creating a physical system (organic) that can interact with something inorganic such as a spiritual system.)

The mass of an organic system is in some sense a partially independent tree of dynamics. The spiritual and influence layers of an organic being "plug in" to that organic system. The extra invisible bits make it all work as a larger dynamic.

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But the point is, when the ET's figured out how to codify influence and organic interplay/dynamics and the rest of the interplay of a living being into a set of programming languages. They figured out how to create A.I. (Artificial Intelligence) of various types and categories.

They realized they could make mass-less A.I.
They also realized they could make A.I. that can plug into an Organic system.
They understood how to create and connect an invisible programmed interplay with the organic structures. *(an understanding of psychic phenomena came from that)

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Customized organic tissue was the next step.
Eventually transplanting a natural/original consciousness to an artificial and organically customized body. (Partial failure in some of the objectives of the project)

ET went about developing and enhancing profiles of organic/influence systems to better create interfaces with each other.
Inter-layer and inter-Spacial communication between living and artificial systems.
That led to creating a whole new field of technologies involving psychic enhancements and inter-layer communication in I guess what we'd call "telecommunications".

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Enhancements then led to creating non-physical (fully artificial) structures for enhancing mental and other kinds of performance improvements.
That led to implants of both the physical and non-physical variety.

Fore
06-12-2017, 08:18 PM
Ok, so finishing up this thought:

I don't think what I have posted is that hard to follow and why we see certain ET doing the distinct things we hear about today.
Obviously some of them are pretty much of the type of thinking that they should engineer or enhance an organic living being.

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While I haven't actually heard or met any ET's who are of the more natural persuasion without the enhancements. I guess we are (supposed to be) a natural orientated society on this Earth.

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But going back to your question, even pre-cognitive developments are not a real stretch of the imagination.
While studying inter-layer communication, they (ET) would no doubt would have come across consciousness data that is inconsistent with the present timeline.
And no doubt they would have tracked down what deja-vu and all sorts of anomalous events are really about. And in so doing no doubt they figured out how to tweak the inter-layers to make it a persistent phenomena that is consciously accessible.

So they would consistently know or obtain data through inter-layer phenomena that gives them insight into what future events are.
(They also apparently created a variant that is purely physical in nature and has little to do with psychic phenomena)

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But here is a problem, that I recall pointing out to the advisor several times. Though, strangely I don't recall much of her response to the question.
Doesn't that make ET's like a horse with blinders put on? (Only seeing their objective in the direction they are looking at and not all the other indirect routes that perhaps are not obvious?)

My personal conclusion is that alot of the ET's we know of come from broken societies (IMO). They are broken in the sense that they over specialize (IMO) and don't allow randomness as a part of the equation.

Like a horse with those blinders on, they can only see (and literally) only stumble in the direction which they point their heads at. All the rest of the possible outcomes seems to be excluded. And as we all know in life, sometimes "you get there", but you take one hell of a route down the wrong avenue. And sometimes those wrong turn turns out to be way more beneficial than always following whatever direction your head was pointing at and what you had in your sights.
http://i.imgur.com/BgFPZ0h.jpg

Fore
06-12-2017, 09:08 PM
@Fore, I do wonder if the biologically artificial ET types [such as the greys, which were described to me as such] are subject more to their programming than their insistence on following the most apparent beneficial probability. Either approach makes them effectively robotic, but conversely, if this is the case, then does this also mean that precognitively aware beings are effectively making themselves robots; if they allow their actions to be dictated by the surrounding universe's most beneficial probabilities, instead of dictating their own path through them.

Well not all ET's are risk takers that for sure. I have met a few (and I mean A FEW) who would actually consider going the wrong way just to see what happens. But alot of them simply don't take risks.

Sorta like a baseball players don't do soccer because they just have a great arm that works really great at baseball.

Ask an ET to go into a unprepared conversation and I bet they would blink if they were told not to look up the content of the conversation and what the outcome is nor who they are going to talk to. Now that I think about it, they really are pretty risk averse in mentality when I look back at everything.


With the above in mind, non-precognitive aware Humans are a force unto themselves, and therefore the least robotic beings out of the bunches that we have run into. It might also explain why precognition is classically described as a bad thing, as it could be considered to be making us both less Human and therefore less powerful.

Actually you should look at things from the other side of the table too.

Random isn't really seen in the ET mindset as "Random". What we see as Random is for some ET actually a sort of misunderstood form of probability curves with certainty. (I know, that won't make sense to someone who is completely normal)

How do I put it....

From some ET perspectives it seems that they don't see randomness as this choas. There seems to be a good reason for that. Part of which I don't really catch in it's full measure. One of the issues seems to be with the way some of them (not all) scan the future and assess the situation. So they always see variations of events and they fully understand (as far as I can tell) the implied factors that leads to every conclusion in their field of perception. (including the subtle factors that vary from one end to another.)

So random does not mean "Random" to them. Another issue I know of is that they have an intellectual understanding of randomness that honestly goes above my capability to fully understand. Seems to be some sort of Choas Theory (not the human version) that defines how randomness should be understood.

Sorta like a law of physics. For them they have an internal understanding of randomness that clashes with what we think of randomness.

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For example, there is a version of ET chaos theory (again nothing related to the human version) that goes like so:
Draw an infinite number of lines in all directions and positions without any concern for a pattern. And eventually a focal point of perfection shows up.

She said it had something to do with simulating events previous to a universe existing. Sort of like a geometry lesson. She said it had to do with a more complex understanding of some kind of "island of order" from infinite chaos.

Other than that I have no clue of what the other stuff meant.


I remember you mentioning a long time ago, about being viewed as the equivalent of an unchained Tiger when accompanying the Advisor during meetings with other beings (from outside the influence commonality sphere from what I could tell.) That you had more freedom of choice was your power, and that was what was most frightening about you to them; from my limited understanding of the situation. Oh yeah.

But she wasn't afraid of it, in particular. She actually used to comment on her society and the rules and lamented her situation vs mine. She said she felt restricted and constrained compared to the freedoms afforded to me.

The only times she was concerned about my freedom is when I got her into trouble for saying things to other people without authorization. The other ET were also in the same rough mindset and wanted her to control me by any means. They too seemed to be bothered by my independence. Though to this day I never understood why don't they just harm me directly and that'd be the most logical course of action. Something in the background seems to prevent that.

I dunno what. But you can tell there is something that wasn't said that keeps them from executing what seems to be a logical end.


Over my end, they don't seem to check in anymore, but I do notice the occasional interaction with my field. The field I have continues to grow, but I am careful to not try to use it too often. I am aware that if it is not flushed, then the influence will thicken and become dangerous to the underlying biological tissue, so I am keeping the flow up every so often to avoid that eventuality. I actually have a hypothesis that they used artificial psychic structures on me.

The reason I suspected it from long ago is because the ones I had seemed to be far too uniform and functional compared to what you'd find in ordinary people upon inspection.

I guessed more than 20 years ago that they must have embedded some kind of influence code that works in my influence. I suspected since long ago that focusing in on anyone or sharing influence with them would also mean spreading the modified influence and making them more psychic. The other possibility is that interaction alone is enough.

But I suspect the latter is not the case, because I have noticed my family struggling with the same sets of skills and not knowing how to control them until I advised them to simply not do so and let it fade like in mine.

It also seems to work on strangers so I doubt it is genetic. I am guessing some kind of subtle influence technology that works on the layers of influence. Probably some kind of influence code that can be transfused to another compatible individual. People develop the same structures so it can't be a coincidence.
I also realized that while I was expecting non-ET psychics to be less capable, they weren't in the same league.

Which led me to the conclusion early on after observing many natural psychics that their skillsets were too narrow or limited and mine was to varied and too capable. So its either an organic issue or something artificially induced. Which may also explain why they needed to reprogram my field or the structures every once in a while during testing. Or how they retained control over performance levels and skills simply by touching/interacting with my field/structures.


To be honest, I do miss ability exploration with you, there is always a certain sense of wonder in finding out something new. However, I am also aware that it causes serious pain your end, so I understand why that must not proceed. As for others, I am quite frankly afraid of causing them serious damage, as I am effectively an enabler of abilities; and we all know how that went in the rather infamous "Pontificator's experiment" thread, when I was far less powerful in that regard. Whatever happened to some of those people, especially the ones that exited the experiment because they started getting abducted/meeting "beings", I'll never know. Probably because you are now a carrier of artificial code. Maybe.

I don't talk anymore because I put all of this behind me. I also consider it bad luck to come here. There is a direct correlation to hardships with coming here. Talk, and bad things happen. Stay silent, and normalness takes over. I like normalcy.

There is a strong incentive to simply stay silent. Exposition doesn't pay the bills. And no one watches this forum anymore so there is no one to really see it. I doubt anyone outside of montalk talks about me anymore.


*taps chin* Perhaps I should hold a poll, on whether or not people would involve themselves in such a dangerous, and ill-advised, experiment anyway; the results could be rather interesting.

<Shrug>

Fore
06-12-2017, 11:34 PM
@ Pontif
In case you still recall the Advisor's comments many years ago about our universe and our understandings being slightly off about what we live in.
Here is a bit of an interesting tidbit starting at 8:30. They talk about separate spacetimes in the link below:

Supervoids vs Colliding Universes! | Space Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrS0rxX-UhA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrS0rxX-UhA

epo333
06-13-2017, 12:45 AM
High Fore, (nice to see you back)

Quite a lot to your posts . . .



The mass of an organic system is in some sense a partially independent tree of dynamics. The spiritual and influence layers of an organic being "plug in" to that organic system. The extra invisible bits make it all work as a larger dynamic.

I think the spiritual (aspect ) is pure (conscious) energy. The "tree of dynamics" you speak of sounds like "free will" of the spirit and the "extra invisible bits" sounds like the AI portion. The corporeal aspect of the human is most likely contaminated when the AI is injected (so to speak), but the spirit will still manipulate the time lines. (although influenced by ET meddling.)

Is this at all close to what your conveying?

Fore
06-13-2017, 07:00 PM
High Fore, (nice to see you back)

Quite a lot to your posts . . .




I think the spiritual (aspect ) is pure (conscious) energy. The "tree of dynamics" you speak of sounds like "free will" of the spirit and the "extra invisible bits" sounds like the AI portion. Well it isn't part of the original source material they showed me. But if you and I can split hairs I guess we'd have to split the topic of intelligence into at least three categories.

AI (generally fabricated)
NI (naturally occurring) -> OA: Organic Algorithms
SI (Spiritual Intelligence / An Overlay of NI)

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I have been looking into how things grow and as best as I can observe basically it looks like natural things have pre-set conditions and rules that seems to makes sense for the development of a living creature. It's like God seems to have fabricated an organic tapestry of functions that make perfect sense to guide the course of living things. (OA: Organic Algorithms)

Lots of small functions seem to work together like a set of distinct rules to layout the path for future developments. And the organics themselves seem to be host to a composite NI that works well with the organic system. So basically any feature you use day to day seems to be purposeful rather than accidental evolution.

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ET's though seem to be strong proponents of tinkering with organics and non-organic systems. Sorta like geek modders but with a bent for enhancing (supposedly) life itself.

For example, you know ET's have obviously made artificial (organic) beings with an Artificial Intelligence. But they can also add functionality like a third-party interface where they can assume control remotely. Or even give themselves overriding authority over an A.I. just by interacting wordlessly with the A.I.

To do all that, they obviously need to understand consciousness well enough to know how to build a device that looks and acts like a living thing but in reality it's upper loops of operations are completely non-spiritual. Apparently the ET also like to cut corners. Probably for good reasons too. If you glean some of the accounts of ET interactions you can see some of the obviously A.I. displaying habits that look very much like OA.

So that is curious unto itself. Did they design OA from scratch or did they just rip off some naturally occurring organics from some world, tweak it, and then once modified re-purpose it for A.I.?

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If you told me that the Greys I interacted with are A.I. I would only object to that because they have the capability to become annoyed. Annoyance is a trait of OA. (OA: Organic Algorithms)

Yet if you sit there for a long enough time, you realize they never display any self intent or other OA like seeking happiness. They display fear of reprisal but they do not act independently despite that. In other words, I have never seen anything cross their minds like running away. For being very intelligent, they also seem to be very dumb in some cases. Situational intelligence is lacking I guess.

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And that brings us to another subtle topic. ET's who are NI/SI but who inhabit Artificial or modified body specs.
Pretty much like an organic encounter suit.

While we are limited to making space suits out of plastics and other materials they are capable of growing organic bodies that can be used in a given situations. They just remotely link to them via the other invisible layers. The closest (human made) material that I have seen in the mainstream is the Avatar movie.

Pretty much identical concepts.

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Anyway, it kinda makes me laugh a bit that some ET's have human-esque bodies during an encounter but you notice they have pale features like as if they have been pulled out of an organic growth chamber just recently. It always makes me doubt that they are authentic organics. And that maybe you are interfacing with an encounter suit of customized organic material.

Then that whole project to create children who are obviously customized organics, a little troublesome. (Oh I know I am gonna get the whammy for saying this: God protect me)

Makes you really wonder if these children also have backdoor interfaces to be remotely controlled like some A.I.
I know they should already be spec'ed designer babies for interfacing with each other and the ET's.
I have always wanted to interact with one to test its loyalty and independence. To see if it really does have that spark inside it.


The corporeal aspect of the human is most likely contaminated when the AI is injected (so to speak), but the spirit will still manipulate the time lines. (although influenced by ET meddling.)

Is this at all close to what your conveying?Pretty much.
Here is an interesting question. How much do you need to manipulate an original NI and it's OA, in order to interface with an ET?
Do you have to introduce organic level changes? By what degree? Or do you simply target the sectors of the population that are thee most compatible?
What (if any) backdoors are left open?


It's a curious thing that God made us (IMV) without (by default) the ability to interface with one another through our other subtle layers.

whoknows
06-13-2017, 07:38 PM
It is good to see you back Fore.

I would question two things you seem to suggest. The fist is that out minds are algorithmic in nature. To me, the fact we can perceive order in chaos would indicate something far less linear.

The second I strongly question is the suggestion we communicate in anything less than very subtle layers. One of my fav old sayings " Once you've met someone you can not unmeet them." I think we become quantum entangled, though in a non physical way. Not to mention all the myriad subtle physical ways.

Fore
06-14-2017, 12:08 AM
It is good to see you back Fore.

I would question two things you seem to suggest. The fist is that out minds are algorithmic in nature. To me, the fact we can perceive order in chaos would indicate something far less linear. One of the bad things I noticed about gaining pre-cognition and the sorting of variations of near-future events is that you start noticing how algorithmic/formula-like events are.

You [almost] gain the ET perspective on randomness and realize their view is just as valid.

[Vocal and Written] Conversations seems far less random and extremely predictable. Even without actual pre-cognition, just by using pattern recognition.
You can perceive the end of the conversation even before it has actually begun down to the phrases and words and the emotions and mental meanderings in the other person. You start to feel that this is like an old re-run and your watching a play that you know almost all the bullet points of; blow by blow.

What it means to be human seems constrained and 2D and you find yourself bored by waiting for the conversation to end. I recall back then to have caught myself pre-saying/preempting the phrases [for them] in both vocal and written. I ?reiterated? their future intended words back to them a few seconds or minutes in advance and cutting to the point to answer the whole conversation; just to skip the time lag of cause and effect playing out.

They felt that is incredible, but in reality it is actually very tedious to wait for the future to catch up to the present. And the more pronounced the psychic setting you are using the more tedious it feels and the more you want to cut corners and simply make a summary of the interaction for both sides from the start rather than wait for it unroll naturally and chronologically.

Regardless of whether the conversation actually took place or not the answers are the same and so there isn't a point in waiting for the play to finish. (but you then get berated because the ET demands you "don't do that" and instead wait for the event to take place in the prescribed order.)

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So you have to look at it from the other side of the fence. And obviously I don't think you can appreciate it if you haven't been through the experience, so I don't fault you for it.

But for example, if you are using precognitive insight on a low setting like normal:
You can readily peer into the field of the person in front of you and read their thoughts forms and know the general query before it is actually written (just standard linear psychic observation) and then cross reference that with pre-cognitive (non-linear psychic phenomena) to see the various version of the next couple of hours.

From that you get the gist of the scope and content from the vantage point prior to the beginning. From there you formulate a reply based on all observations.
Or
You can also formulate a reply that is attending to multiple person(s) overlapping core queries.
Some of them overlap, so to save time you just answer them together and weave the text so that is covers enough ground to match the queries.

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But if you use the version that is more immersive (that I find personally disquieting) it's a very unnatural feeling. The information is more pronounced and less like reading a book. You start experiencing the volume of data with less filtering and it is almost akin to "knowing" rather than "reading".

Details that are unnecessary filter in about events around the conversation. And any focus you put in tends to go over the scope of your interest as different aspects of your mind unconsciously query details that are irrelevant to the conversation. Such as what your financial status is, who is coming to your door over the next week, month, or year. etc.

And near terms events feel like a [re]-play that you experience with extreme fidelity. Also your short term memory "gets full" very quickly.

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But in either case, that mode lets you feel like an unwilling character in a play where you know with certainty every detail. Having to patiently wait for the motions of others. And wishing there was a skip feature in that experience. And you know where you are supposed to be and what your own motions are supposed to be. And you want to do it step by step, but often you just want to side step the actions and see what happens if you don't do what you know you are supposed to do.

Which then causes some kind of cold-spot feeling like you are occupying a point in space that is outside your designated area where you are outside the parameters of an event. And you start to perceive psychic static in the future pre-cognition if the error is too significant. At that point an ET comes to you and tell you they noticed the error and obey the rules or else. Even often ET strangers who came in out of nowhere and call to your attention the significant error they sensed. They back off when the group of ET that are in charge of you take over the matter and remind you to not create difficult or abnormal situations without their authorization.

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If you could see through my experiences you'd understand why things look like an algorithm. Even people and their reactions. Randomness seems much less random and is far more explainable from that point of view. Even predictable. Like as if randomness isn't actually as random as you might expect. Try having an ET meeting with people discussing your next years events in detail and get the feeling like this isn't supposed to be a conversation your supposed to have. That your life isn't your own. And your just waiting for it to someday truly be random and not completely expected.

I am glad when they ended those test trials. I love normalcy. I like not knowing anything about the person in front of you or (well not so much) not knowing what tomorrow brings. I am dead certain other people (ET) know exactly what is going to happen to me. But at least I don't know anymore. And that is fine.

I also prefer conversations now when you don't know what the other person is thinking and you have to judge how their face looks like or what their body language says to figure it all out. It feels less predictable. And I now completely understand why people are fooled so easily by strangers. Not knowing is the human condition it seems. Being normal is pretty hard.

I also now think it is alot more satisfying in many ways. You enjoy things in a totally different way.

I also now realize that even a psychic scan does not really tell you all of what a person is or what they are capable of. There is a kind of whackiness about people that I don't think ET's really can see from their vantage point.

Fore
06-14-2017, 12:23 AM
Which then causes some kind of cold-spot feeling like you are occupying a point in space that is outside your designated area where you are outside the parameters of an event. And you start to perceive psychic static in the future pre-cognition if the error is too significant. At that point an ET comes to you and tell you they noticed the error and obey the rules or else. Even often ET strangers who came in out of nowhere and call to your attention the significant error they sensed. They back off when the group of ET that are in charge of you take over the matter and remind you to not create difficult or abnormal situations without their authorization.


By the way, I think maybe that "cold-spot" disorientating feeling is probably about accidentally shifting across the probability axis. Maybe that why pre-cognition stops working for a few hours after a major error?

But that wouldn't explain why an ET would still know or notice what was supposed to happen vs what actually did happen. And how exactly do they know when you've created an error? How does a foreign ET I have never even met know if I did something outside the norm or did something irregular??

Doesn't make sense. How do they even track you down in the first place? Is there something that is given off that is location specific?

<shrug>

I saw them always breaking the same rules they held me to and I never experienced the static unless I am the one doing it without telling them.

epo333
06-14-2017, 01:59 AM
I know they should already be spec'ed designer babies for interfacing with each other and the ET's.
I have always wanted to interact with one to test its loyalty and independence. To see if it really does have that spark inside it.

I'm thinking for them (the ET) to "create the spark (soul?) you speak of, they would need to brake the encryption God uses in his "fabrication of organic tapestry of functions" (sounds a lot like DNA) during the customized organics process.

Whew that's a can of worms.

I think there are far higher structures at the God or what we may consider the spiritual levels possibly preventing ETs abilities to grow organics with souls . . ?

I'll need to simmer on this for a while.

Fore
06-14-2017, 07:34 AM
I'm thinking for them (the ET) to "create the spark (soul?) you speak of, they would need to brake the encryption God uses in his "fabrication of organic tapestry of functions" (sounds a lot like DNA) during the customized organics process. I don't know if the ETs I knew personally know of DNA splicing and stuff. If you go by what they said from time to time, I assume they must "know of it" because they claim various things. But I don't recall any genetic lectures that told me something I didn't already pick up from TV.

I assume they know of it, but I don't know if they are personally knowledgeable on that subject. I don't recall it being a subject I asked too much about. I mostly asked how it all fits together and they provided info when they felt it was convenient for them. At least I know the advisor knows how to use a microscope or at least whatever passes for one in whatever they use.

Having said that, they touched on the subjects but didn't go into some of the nitty gritty details.

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On "fabrication of organic tapestry of functions", I think you are thinking of that as meaning DNA. While I am using it instead to describe the overall term of an organic system having different kinds of functionality on a more macroscopic level.

For example, the ability to smile, or the ability to cough, or display affection or fear, or the ability to lie. Those sorts of observable organic features.

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Like you said though, they stated pretty much they aren't capable of creating spiritual structures. The intermediary parts (influence layer) yes, but some of the rest it seems they are limited in their advancements.

For example, they pointed out A.I. is limited in it's functions because it doesn't have a spiritual system (as they understand it). So they described an A.I. system as basically a fancy loop of processes that can mimic certain features and process information but doesn't have any kind of "first impulse" or desire of it's own. They literally described the top of the loop of an A.I. as being a closed loop up to a certain non-physical layer.

Basically a statement that they were limited to transplanting/affixing ET SI/NI to inorganic or organic systems. But not really being able to create an original authentic spiritual system. They can move it but not create it. They claimed they could do some fixing and tweaking on spiritual layers but they said it was limited.

Pure A.I. without any living being in the mix is sorta like a fancy program with a body. But never more than that. Also from reading reports of ET contact you can pretty easily glean that alot of different kinds of ET seem to take shortcuts and use natural (living) materials and their interconnected layers to cut corners here and there.

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For example, in theory, they can make hybrid bodies and A.I. from scratch from inorganic systems. But they apparently instead use donors from human hosts (abductees) to splice together enhancements. So you are effectively hybridizing human beings with something else, then bolting on enhancing features unto an already living system.

Rather than do it from scratch they just cut corners. And if you've heard their explanations about all sorts of subject you realize they resort to cutting corners because of limitations and real world issues. You get a strong impressions that they are limited by resources or knowledge or capabilities. (or even time frames to complete the tasks)

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For example, I have read in books and seen on TV the subject of reptilians and the claims of them drawing influence or nutrients from living hosts.
Well I have also heard reports on the net about people seeing animal mutilations. It makes me wonder what use there could be for blood or living components from some animal.

And it dawned on me that perhaps the A.I. organic drones require maintenance. If you grab an artificial grey and assuming it is set up like I imagine it, the question comes up of how does it's influence system regenerate itself? It has no spiritual loop, right?


And then I realized perhaps they might use cows blood and immerse the A.I. drones in it to recharge the influence layers of the organic system. That would then explain where the A.I. gets it's hefty influence field. It must suffer losses in it's field just like any organic system. Except living systems have the ability to replenish the field and the organics required supply. But does an A.I. really have that capability? I assume it might if it is kept in a proper environment on a ship. But if it is a terrestrial drone (human controlled or otherwise) the facilities and the technology may not be there for the drones regular maintenance.

So quite literally a container full of blood is one way of crudely replenishing the supply of influence for the drones A.I. system. God knows they probably have embedded structures to probably facilitate such a feat.

It also reminds me of a throwback of animal sacrifices at altars to minor gods in the olden days. Probably a matter of influence gathering. (???)

Who knows, I could be wrong. But it would make some sense. I know that the current idea in the UFO community is that the drones use the blood to replenish the body like some sort of nutrient. But I don't think I'd be too far off in guessing/assuming the drone also has other needs to replenish that are not physical systems.


Whew that's a can of worms.

I think there are far higher structures at the God or what we may consider the spiritual levels possibly preventing ETs abilities to grow organics with souls . . ?

I'll need to simmer on this for a while.Maybe so. I dunno.

whoknows
06-14-2017, 07:56 PM
My thinking is that there is a non physical aspect to our being, what ever that being may be, in which a certain level of omniscience exist that we are only in the beginning stages of participation. But...


One of the bad things I noticed about gaining pre-cognition and the sorting of variations of near-future events is that you start noticing how algorithmic/formula-like events are.


I can not forget the physicality with in which we do live. As far as our present perceptions are capable perceiving.

I'm sure Dr Carrol would cringe at the use of his posit. But what the heck...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZacggH9wB7Y

Longeyes
06-14-2017, 09:14 PM
From what I've come to understand - our true nature is much more fundamental than hat we regard as physical reality is. We have it the wrong way round like so many things.
When we die we return and are projected again into this world but our true nature actually exists in a kind of hyper-time and hyperspace where all times are connected and so are all places.

You can't really recreate that in an AI, consciousness is intrinsic to the actual functioning of the universe everything is somehow created within it. Trying to recreate something from material in the display is only ever going to be that. We are a fundamental part of the creation.
Hence the hybrids they are trying to hijack our connection with the source whether that can truly work who knows?

epo333
06-15-2017, 12:28 AM
Well . . .

We all have heard of the human male to alien female and alien male to human female sexual encounters. Apparently this does not yield an entity with a spark(soul) as only the creator has allowed his creations to do so . . . (IMO!) Also plenty of un-willing humane donors of sperm and wombs.

The REAL question(s) is:

WHY would the ETs have a desire to create lives with souls. (Maybe they are trying to reach eternity for their kind?)

. . . WOW my mind just went BLANK . . .

Hate it when that happens.

So I'll leave it at that for now.

pontificator
06-15-2017, 10:02 AM
Well . . .

We all have heard of the human male to alien female and alien male to human female sexual encounters. Apparently this does not yield an entity with a spark(soul) as only the creator has allowed his creations to do so . . . (IMO!) Also plenty of un-willing humane donors of sperm and wombs.

The REAL question(s) is:

WHY would the ETs have a desire to create lives with souls. (Maybe they are trying to reach eternity for their kind?)

. . . WOW my mind just went BLANK . . .

Hate it when that happens.

So I'll leave it at that for now.

Some possibilities pop to mind:
1) To inject the memory set of the unit into a pre-existing spark; which in turn may affect other natural instances in contact with the concerned spark.
2) To invade the layer above in a metaphysical sense.
3) To supplant the current native interfaces with their own, cutting human sparks off from the planet.

I'm putting the above a little simplistically, but I'm sure that you'll get the idea and the possible implications. The is also another possibility, by pushing upwards they can effectively "escape" the realm in which they are currently trapped; if looking at it from a Heaven vs Hell perspective.

Of course, there remains the possibility I'm completely off-piste, and that they really only want to integrate and live amongst us for some other higher purpose; like having a holiday (I was tempted to suggest "like getting stoned", but that is a terrible pun on "higher" and seriously unlikely.)

Fore
06-16-2017, 08:15 AM
Well . . .

We all have heard of the human male to alien female and alien male to human female sexual encounters. Apparently this does not yield an entity with a spark(soul) as only the creator has allowed his creations to do so . . . (IMO!) Also plenty of un-willing humane donors of sperm and wombs. Well I lean towards the reasoning that I think the hybrids and stuff do have souls. But that may be my own wishful thinking.

The big question that always raises in my mind is whether or not God will recognize a hybrid's soul. (IMV / IMO) It looks to me like biblicaly speaking God does not recognize hybrids. Original creations seem to be recognized but not hybrids.

Do they have a God given soul granted to them? I don't have the slightest clue. I'd like assume and think they do, but I doubt they will be recognized nor allowed anything in an afterlife. In otherwords, I personally think hybrids are likely to be excluded from a normal passages of death. Even says a few places in the Bible they won't receive any recognition if my memory does not fail me.

I have been curious for a while about how the rituals in the biblical sense are conducted and slowly they are coming into focus and making alot of sense to me. I think there are human rituals and non-human ones. Ones that pertain to human needs vs ones that seem to pertain to ascended needs. But they don't seem to be explained very openly but you can sorta glean the reasoning behind them.

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I have come to a conclusion (not a definitive one, mind you) that strangely enough it looks like creation is indeed set up like a creation of a "central dreamer" rather than a hardcore objective reality with strong immutable rules.

God seems to be the one who sets reality and it's rules. Limited only by it's own "original intent" as far as I can figure.

Angels seems to be more like "aspects" of God projected into simpler caricatures that can act semi-independently of God itself. Sorta like making features of the whole into a new individual entity that specializes in something specific. Some Angels seem to be purposeful for containing a specific field of knowledge. And they don't seem to be "real" beings with lives and stuff. Sorta like a projected helpers of some sort.

Holy Spirit seems to a purpose made avatar (in spirit form) that is used by God for specific purposes.

The Word/Messiah seems to be another avatar (in human form) that can walk and talk like any other human being within creation. A purposeful tool that isn't Quasi-God, but yet is.

It looks like God itself (in it's purest form) is a quasi-presence that has specific qualities that cannot directly interact with it's own creation. Hence it seemingly created proxies which can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9vn5UvsHvM&list=PLH0Szn1yYNec-HZjVHooeb4BSDSeHhEoh&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNNZO9i1Gjc&list=PLH0Szn1yYNec-HZjVHooeb4BSDSeHhEoh&index=9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_OlRWGLdnw&list=PLH0Szn1yYNec-HZjVHooeb4BSDSeHhEoh&index=5

The fallen angels seem to be like aspects of God that have stopped obeying and seemingly took with them specific attributes in their dissension. Arts or specific knowledge attirbutes that were endowed with roles but which went rogue once corrupted. It also makes sense that they could never be forgiven if you think about it that way. You're not dealing with individuals but a projection that is corrupted. No longer viable for it's original purpose.

Demons are (?probably?) seemingly previously alive lower life forms who are created through some birth but seem to be excluded at death. Perhaps their composition is corrupted and not original? <Shrug> I dunno.

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Having said all that. It strikes me incredibly strange that most of the ET we may meet are seemingly into genetic modification or genetic engineering of life. Which is expressly denounced by God. So that begs the question of why they even exist in the first place? Are they rebellious types of creation? (I dunno)

It seems like in scripture there is an incredibly emphasis in lineage and purity of that lineage. Non-modders of life I guess.

Perhaps the ET's didn't get the memo or there is something seriously wrong with our understanding of this creation itself.




The REAL question(s) is:

WHY would the ETs have a desire to create lives with souls. (Maybe they are trying to reach eternity for their kind?)

. . . WOW my mind just went BLANK . . .

Hate it when that happens.

So I'll leave it at that for now.It seems like too big of a coincidence that what is described in the Bible is seemingly also very closely tied to (if not identical) to what we see in abduction stories.

I am going to guess that everyone except humanity knows what is going on up there. We must be the only ones who don't know what the core story really is.

whoknows
06-17-2017, 07:47 PM
No matter what, we are all participants, everything that is, are participants. Though we may not be able to perceive everything that is at this point.

Still participation is the only way to understand. There in lies the problem, our perception is limited to what we know (on a very personal level) at this point in time and what we know keeps changing or modifying is the term I think I should use.

I have to ask considering what you posit. Is not everything in fact an extension of God, therefore is not everything that is created by that which is created by God not a valid creation imbued the qualities of said creation? I mean to me it just seems to follows.

It has always puzzled me to think that anything an omniscient God could create could be bad... Maybe an object lesson, but bad?

I prefer to ask, what are what supposed to be learning to be? Are we not de facto creators?

Forgive me if this seems a tautological post.

Fore
06-19-2017, 12:48 AM
From what I've come to understand - our true nature is much more fundamental than hat we regard as physical reality is. We have it the wrong way round like so many things.
When we die we return and are projected again into this world but our true nature actually exists in a kind of hyper-time and hyperspace where all times are connected and so are all places. That is my current understanding and I am in agreement with your view.


You can't really recreate that in an AI, consciousness is intrinsic to the actual functioning of the universe everything is somehow created within it. Trying to recreate something from material in the display is only ever going to be that. We are a fundamental part of the creation.
Hence the hybrids they are trying to hijack our connection with the source whether that can truly work who knows?Hybrids as we understand them are about mixing up genetic code bases.

That can be done with or without genetic engineering. Most geneticist know that species have in built gene mechanisms to prevent hybrids from forming in most circumstances. But if you are aware of the problem you can get around it and produce a hybrid.

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But the ET understanding of hybrids is that if you change the genetic/organic base you seem to also affect it's development in terms of mentality and feature sets. (OA: Organic Algorithms)

That in turn affects the functionality and feedback system to the "spark" of that living presence.

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Now you can also go about it a different way. You can have a standard human being and adapt them with invisible hardware and pre-programmed structures with interfaces that aren't technically in physical spacetime as we understand it.

The problem is how useful, purposeful or good the end result is. Are these hybrids? No, not technically if seen from a physical perspective.

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I think the big problem is maybe expected roles of modified individuals of various categories. (hypothetically speaking)

A genetic base modification to a human offspring is okay if you want to propagate a variant of a human being.
But it might not be very useful by itself. Bolting on features like multi-layer interfacing and group work/tasks or approximate intelligence enhancement might be useful, purposeful.

Though if you need a genetically mixed starter base to create more refined variations of a hybrid you might not need to necessarily experiment with interfacing on each and every candidate. You'd probably pick certain groups of people in a given set of criteria that represent the whole and test out various improvements while the rest could be treated and simply baby makers.

Once the functioning and feature sets are up to part across a representative group of the whole, you'd have statistics on what you can expect down the road. Then make a refined batch for specific purposes with full features and functionality (The children?). Then probably roll out the final revised hybrids capable of at least the most agreeable performance levels as the base for mass production.

I'd suppose they'd be capable of autonomy in some sense and capable of breeding and at least (one hopes) capable of proper resemblances of human-esque behaviors while (probably) secretly being capable of a more broader level of functionality compared to a standard human being.

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I don't know of course, maybe the end result is to fail as a human being. LOL. Could be. (just kidding to any hybrids out there)

Fore
06-19-2017, 01:05 AM
Some possibilities pop to mind:
1) To inject the memory set of the unit into a pre-existing spark; which in turn may affect other natural instances in contact with the concerned spark.
2) To invade the layer above in a metaphysical sense.
3) To supplant the current native interfaces with their own, cutting human sparks off from the planet. Number 3 is a possibility.

Perhaps that is something akin to the fabled "mark" of the beast? It's in/on the forehead or the right hand.

Perhaps when the fakes show up we will be offered a different kind of universal insight or ability to identify who has and who doesn't have it.

We are all assuming it'll be visible, maybe it's not though. Well, not in the sense that you can see it with your eyes. Maybe it'll be like a modding living people.

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At least on the ET side of the matter they and people like me have the ability to identify one another. Mostly if you using your ESP you can pretty much see any irregularities or signifiers in another living presence. So you can automatically identify it. In theory, at least, you don't need to exchange words to know.

Though, in reality it looks like most contactees and abductees I've come across at this point don't have that capability fully implemented. At least not in your standard crop of people. They seem to have part of the observational aspects and do it verbally or written but so far nothing that leads me to conclude that a fully functional version exists yet.

Maybe they haven't gotten there yet. Or maybe it is implemented differently? Dunno.


I'm putting the above a little simplistically, but I'm sure that you'll get the idea and the possible implications. The is also another possibility, by pushing upwards they can effectively "escape" the realm in which they are currently trapped; if looking at it from a Heaven vs Hell perspective.

Of course, there remains the possibility I'm completely off-piste, and that they really only want to integrate and live amongst us for some other higher purpose; like having a holiday (I was tempted to suggest "like getting stoned", but that is a terrible pun on "higher" and seriously unlikely.)Considering how much a stable mentality is valued at, I doubt they will get stoned.

Then again, the world is full of all types.

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I honestly don't think integration is the end goal. It might be a step but I doubt it'll be the end game.

Edward
06-19-2017, 03:49 AM
I don't talk anymore because I put all of this behind me. I also consider it bad luck to come here. There is a direct correlation to hardships with coming here. Talk, and bad things happen. Stay silent, and normalness takes over. I like normalcy.

There is a strong incentive to simply stay silent. Exposition doesn't pay the bills. And no one watches this forum anymore so there is no one to really see it. I doubt anyone outside of montalk talks about me anymore.



<Shrug>

I thought you got banned Fore. I come here every now and then. I've been trying to work on myself and create the world I'd like to see instead of trying to make others see it the way I have come to see it. It's hard habit to kick. You want to help people to learn, to evolve and progress. The route of trying to fix the physical world by physical means and doing's vs. trying to make the world you like to live in by continual expansion of consciousness and self awareness.

Edward

Fore
06-19-2017, 04:38 AM
I thought you got banned Fore. I was/am.




I come here every now and then. I've been trying to work on myself and create the world I'd like to see instead of trying to make others see it the way I have come to see it. It's hard habit to kick. You want to help people to learn, to evolve and progress. The route of trying to fix the physical world by physical means and doing's vs. trying to make the world you like to live in by continual expansion of consciousness and self awareness.

Edward I don't aim for anything like that anymore. I don't like my experience and I now shun it. Even when I start thinking about it anymore it filling me with dread of falling into it again.

When I was banned, I realized I have been traumatized by my experiences and talking about it helps me work through the feelings and such. I didn't think of it as trauma before then. But I did know it on some level.

Not talking about it anymore is like forgetting it ever happened. I have found there isn't much of a positive feeling coming out of dwelling on it. It happened but it doesn't have to be remembered anymore. As the days went on things got dimmer as you stop thinking about it. I can't forget it in reality, if you mention something, I'll remember it. But if I don't process the events of the past anymore inside me, then it is enough to let things go and be forgotten.

It was a blessing to be banned in it's own way.

I focus on what changes need to be continually made and work through the remnant of issues. Coming here fills me with dread about relapsing into talking about it too much and dwelling on things internally that I either can't understand or can't get over with. I am fearful of having to think about it too deeply or dwelling on topics. Thinking if I said or do something or if I think about it somehow they will show up again.

Not being involved is peaceful. You don't worry anymore and you thoughts are full of the mundane. It's like outgrowing a nightmare.
Doing anything that brings the nightmare back into your life is a definite no - no.
Thinking of putting in a request for a perma-ban so that it locks me out.
I seem to be suffering from poor impulse control on staying away.

The grass is definitely much greener on the other side.
Peace of mind is something amazing.

ScaRZ
06-19-2017, 01:53 PM
Hello Fore, it's been a long time,hope all is well with you. Maybe we can get into some topics that bring about looking forward instead of what is behind us.

calikid
06-19-2017, 02:48 PM
I thought you got banned Fore...

Edward
On the joyous occasion of TOP Forum's recent Fifth Anniversary, in celebration the staff decided to lift all bans
(aka amnesty program).

About a half-dozen former members were restored to normal membership status, and will remain such as long as they abide all Terms and Conditions of use.

The notice was delivered in a celebratory email blast to all members, approximately last November 2016.

For now we have no banned members, with the exception of a number of Spammers.

Fore
06-19-2017, 07:31 PM
Hello Fore, it's been a long time,hope all is well with you. Maybe we can get into some topics that bring about looking forward instead of what is behind us.Hello ScaRz, it's good to see you again. Maybe its time to change into a better subject matter.

I'd prefer anything but the ET topic.

Edward
06-24-2017, 05:16 AM
I was/am.



I don't aim for anything like that anymore. I don't like my experience and I now shun it. Even when I start thinking about it anymore it filling me with dread of falling into it again.

When I was banned, I realized I have been traumatized by my experiences and talking about it helps me work through the feelings and such. I didn't think of it as trauma before then. But I did know it on some level.

Not talking about it anymore is like forgetting it ever happened. I have found there isn't much of a positive feeling coming out of dwelling on it. It happened but it doesn't have to be remembered anymore. As the days went on things got dimmer as you stop thinking about it. I can't forget it in reality, if you mention something, I'll remember it. But if I don't process the events of the past anymore inside me, then it is enough to let things go and be forgotten.

It was a blessing to be banned in it's own way.

I focus on what changes need to be continually made and work through the remnant of issues. Coming here fills me with dread about relapsing into talking about it too much and dwelling on things internally that I either can't understand or can't get over with. I am fearful of having to think about it too deeply or dwelling on topics. Thinking if I said or do something or if I think about it somehow they will show up again.

Not being involved is peaceful. You don't worry anymore and you thoughts are full of the mundane. It's like outgrowing a nightmare.
Doing anything that brings the nightmare back into your life is a definite no - no.
Thinking of putting in a request for a perma-ban so that it locks me out.
I seem to be suffering from poor impulse control on staying away.

The grass is definitely much greener on the other side.
Peace of mind is something amazing.

Yep Trying to change old ways is rough, ignorance isn't always bliss though. Talking about things is often therapeutic but dwelling on them is indeed a no-no, as you say. Coming to terms and understanding why things happen can be a tough undertaking. We sometimes fall back into old patterns/habits even when we think or feel we've changed or had enough time to process it out of our life. What ever that may be. Some things may be easier than others to do so in this regards while other things in our lives seem to keep cropping back up for one reason or another. I for one hope you continue to find that that peace of mind Fore. Here's to you and to all of us finding that greener grass, where ever it may be.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNI27KOQoF4



Edward

Edward
06-24-2017, 05:19 AM
On the joyous occasion of TOP Forum's recent Fifth Anniversary, in celebration the staff decided to lift all bans
(aka amnesty program).

About a half-dozen former members were restored to normal membership status, and will remain such as long as they abide all Terms and Conditions of use.

The notice was delivered in a celebratory email blast to all members, approximately last November 2016.

For now we have no banned members, with the exception of a number of Spammers.

Oh nice, :cool:

Edward

Fore
07-28-2017, 05:29 AM
A film worth watching:

Abduct 2017
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3449588/

http://vidzi.tv/zrmfz2lz5ba1.html

Fore
09-04-2017, 06:09 PM
Looks like the "War of Contracts" is underway.

I guess this is the part where there is a limited nuclear exchange.

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This supposed to be the president who only lasts less than a year. Then a rapid chain of succession later on.

Carissa
09-04-2017, 11:25 PM
Looks like the "War of Contracts" is underway.

I guess this is the part where there is a limited nuclear exchange.

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This supposed to be the president who only lasts less than a year. Then a rapid chain of succession later on.



Hi Fore - We haven't had any interactions really, but I'm familiar with some things you've talked about via montalk/Tom passing along many of your interesting ideas and corroborations. All I can say is, out of anybody I've ever encountered on the 'net making claims you're pretty much the only one I've ever taken seriously. So on the one hand while I hope your prediction doesn't come true, on the other it's been there in the back of my mind from the moment I was told about it. And sure enough, we now have Trump in office, which is already the most unstable presidency in history without even any apocolyptic happenings factored into the works, as well as the whole (scripted?) North Korea nonsense picking up in a bizarre way. So I could easily see this prediction coming true unfortunately. :/ Here's hoping it doesn't though.

pontificator
09-04-2017, 11:59 PM
@Fore, prior to matters hitting a high note there should be a pickup of certain individuals, I am expecting a high-intensity telepathic communication at that time. However, can you remember if there was a specific time-frame around this quarter of the year for when that would occur?

I understand there are parts of a possible time-frame that you were not allowed to discuss at the time, but at the moment it's possible these restrictions might be lifted due to its imminence. There is also a wildcard, the space program went into high-gear with private enterprises, so we might be in a probability where matters are a bit different from what was originally envisaged.

Fore
09-05-2017, 03:00 AM
Hi Fore - We haven't had any interactions really, but I'm familiar with some things you've talked about via montalk/Tom passing along many of your interesting ideas and corroborations. All I can say is, out of anybody I've ever encountered on the 'net making claims you're pretty much the only one I've ever taken seriously. I am actually pretty surprised to hear that.

But keep in mind I was just (basically) the parrot who heard different discussions and just repeated them online.

Which begs the question, I don't think my former ET group had high clearances or anything (don't know either way).
So I have always assumed that most of what is said between them and other ET groups is pretty much common knowledge between them.
Which is kinda disturbing considering these beings talk about "future history" as "way points" and "scenarios" in our trajectory through the decades to come as if they either already know or have pre-established that the main scenario is somehow tied to real outcomes.

At this point I am not surprised. I just want to carve out my slice of life and do what everyone else does in the interim. I don't really care too much about world disaster. The only thing that ultimately bothers me is "the fact" that they will come out openly among you guys. Which bothers me alot.

Some of what bothers me is how to avoid them in the future if they ever show up openly among us. We are not friends and I opt out of any of their machinations. So while you all are gawking I'll be the first one more worried about running for hills to make sure they and I don't see each other again. The rest that bothers me is how ill prepared we all are to deal with them on equal footing.



So on the one hand while I hope your prediction doesn't come true, on the other it's been there in the back of my mind from the moment I was told about it. And sure enough, we now have Trump in office, which is already the most unstable presidency in history without even any apocolyptic happenings factored into the works, as well as the whole (scripted?) North Korea nonsense picking up in a bizarre way. So I could easily see this prediction coming true unfortunately. :/ Here's hoping it doesn't though. Yeah, according to the scenario's human beings made their final government to be a skeleton crew who is put forth to accept all the blame for all the activity to date. Even though they themselves weren't really participants. In other words they are being left with all the broken plates they know they can't hide forever.

Scape goats for past policy. And not just on American soil.

So don't be surprised if part of the hidden truth comes out and the first ones to be held accountable are people who are new to the party in government.
Thats also supposedly a ploy by a faction of ET to undermine the reliability of self governance in the human population.

In other words, we are supposed to assume that our governments are unreliable and don't have our best interests at heart. (more or less)
In so much that we would rather "trust" complete strangers to rearrange our very world from the inside out as a desperate party at the negotiation table.
But you know, thats not as benevolent as it sounds.

They'll sell us security against many threats at a very steep price. The stupid (and maybe even the smart among us) will even think it's a good deal.
The threat of death from circumstances will be real enough to get humanity to agree to security at any cost.

pontificator
09-05-2017, 12:58 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/05/north-koreas-nuclear-test-site-at-risk-of-imploding-chinese-scientist-says.html

Reminds me of a certain burning mountain reference. The sea does not have to be a literal sea either, note the bad things being released part.

pontificator
09-06-2017, 02:02 PM
In this particular tweet we can now see the narrative of nature turning against humanity beginning to form in the public consciousness: https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/905289474665537537
Over time, as conditions worsen, this will come more and more to the fore. The crises that are produced will be impossible for politicians to wave away easily, and this will help "the others" with their narrative that humanity is not capable of governing themselves. Should this timeline follow the model of a limited nuclear exchange, with escalating environmental features, then we are looking at the subjugation of human authority by any intervening extraterrestrial-party within a mere few years or less, or more (but not too much more.)

This means that to be able to prepare adequately for the upcoming time-period it would be wise to ensure you acquire what you need now, while you still can in a functioning society, and ensure that wherever you are going to weather this out, that it will survive extreme conditions. Actively Psychic individuals need to ensure that they avoid the "the others" where possible, it is unlikely you will survive if they find you and you are not usable like a tool to them; even then your lifespan will be limited.
From Fore's past writings on the subject, there may possibly be an evacuation of Psychic individuals from earth prior to matters getting out of hand, the warning will be limited and require a downing of all tools to reach an evacuation point; remember the story of Lot's wife, if you're going to an evacuation point don't turn back or try to get belongings. Going away on that evacuation is entirely your own choice, it may not be what it seems. I will likely be taking my chances on-planet, where I'll be relying on higher-forces to keep me alive if I'm needed.

Now that may sound all doom and gloom, but I like to prepare ahead, even if something might be years off. As it is, if everything turns out fine, at least you will have all the kit for a natural disaster; which is more than most people, to be honest.

Fore
09-06-2017, 06:28 PM
In this particular tweet we can now see the narrative of nature turning against humanity beginning to form in the public consciousness: https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/905289474665537537
Over time, as conditions worsen, this will come more and more to the fore. The crises that are produced will be impossible for politicians to wave away easily, and this will help "the others" with their narrative that humanity is not capable of governing themselves. Should this timeline follow the model of a limited nuclear exchange, with escalating environmental features, then we are looking at the subjugation of human authority by any intervening extraterrestrial-party within a mere few years or less, or more (but not too much more.)

This means that to be able to prepare adequately for the upcoming time-period it would be wise to ensure you acquire what you need now, while you still can in a functioning society, and ensure that wherever you are going to weather this out, that it will survive extreme conditions. I do question though whether that's as easy as it sounds.


Actively Psychic individuals need to ensure that they avoid the "the others" where possible, it is unlikely you will survive if they find you and you are not usable like a tool to them; even then your lifespan will be limited. With so many tools at the ETs disposal a psychic should also question whether staying in a group with other people won't make it bad news bears for them.

Being an active psychic is like a homing beacon attached to your head and easily visible from great distances. Especially if you use ET tech.

So adding yourself to a group of people sounds like a raw deal for the group itself if they don't want to be found. Psychics might turn out to be a broadcasting liability when all things are weighed together.


From Fore's past writings on the subject, there may possibly be an evacuation of Psychic individuals from earth prior to matters getting out of hand, the warning will be limited and require a downing of all tools to reach an evacuation point; remember the story of Lot's wife, if you're going to an evacuation point don't turn back or try to get belongings. Going away on that evacuation is entirely your own choice, it may not be what it seems. I will likely be taking my chances on-planet, where I'll be relying on higher-forces to keep me alive if I'm needed. Same here, I don't think the evacuation is what it sounds like. I think I'll do the same.

Otherwise it is like walking into a bears den, willingly.


Now that may sound all doom and gloom, but I like to prepare ahead, even if something might be years off. As it is, if everything turns out fine, at least you will have all the kit for a natural disaster; which is more than most people, to be honest.

I hate to be the party pooper but we also have to consider what you are supposed to be surviving and for how long. If the conditions of survival persist for too long or compound to the negative side of increasingly bad situations, even a well prepared individual will eventually find it ultimately fruitless.

I have been studying on the news every now and then how different societies face shortages and scarcity and basically there is enough oversupply of food and resources to last (a lawless) people for quite some time. But the length of time seems proportional to the amount of people who are in need? Basically it would take maybe 2 years before the population hits 50% after the regular production schedules of food and other necessities seem to fail.

I could definitely see a dwindling population lasting as long as 3.5 years or thereabouts as long as you continually reduce the amount of people seeking resources.

And thats the big thing, the biggest factor isn't what you have or what you are competing for in some disaster. It's when the production of food and other necessities fails across the board. In otherwords, when a supply of any particular thing becomes finite. Regardless of whether you can afford it or not.

Edit: Most products have a shelf life of about 2 years, after that they go bad within about 5 years. Building materials (chemicals and other particular products) seem to last about 10 from the date of fabrication. Buildings without maintenance maybe last 10 to 25 years depending on the design or the materials used.

epo333
09-16-2017, 03:52 PM
Looks like the "War of Contracts" is underway.

I guess this is the part where there is a limited nuclear exchange.

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This supposed to be the president who only lasts less than a year. Then a rapid chain of succession later on.


Is there such a thing as "limited nuclear war."

What if….. the powers that be have decided that absorbing a single nuclear hit from NoKo, which would justify their total annihilation and be followed up with a non-negotiable demand that other third world countries give up their nukes, is worth it.

Other than reducing NK to rubble I don’t see any way to put the genie back in the bottle.

I'm not looking forward to radioactive snow, but it is only a matter of time.

Fore
09-16-2017, 08:04 PM
Is there such a thing as "limited nuclear war."

I recall the scenario was about sacrificing two american cities with two dirty bombs. (explosive laced with nuclear materials (as in not a chain reaction) )

But the other segment of the scenario ("the war of contracts") is about a collusion within nations to start a war.
Sacrificing segments of their territories (or at least that is my interpretation of what I was told) in order to create a scenario. (I think you guys call that a false flag right?)

The war of contracts is supposed to be a scenario that doesn't end well. A handful of countries launch weapons against each other, so even if North Korea is a place of interest it is not the focus of the war. It is partially (fuzzy recall) in the middle east and part of the Asian countries.

Reguardless of how small the limited strikes are, the consequences of it are deeper than the bombs themselves. As in, the scenario moves alongside various increasing natural disasters in a wider scope. Adding to the problems and causing disrepair on a global scale.

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The main scenario has the population at large with a broken infrastructure and wide spread starvation. (parts of the scenario are obviously missing as far as I can tell)

Wide Spread Starvation brings on the accountability of Human Governance. Then, some of the "secrets" appear out of the global closet (the ET) and add fuel to the fire. Making claims that Human Governance is fallible and that they can attest to that fact. Then they roll some B-Roll (video and audio) of places and disasters.

The message of the core scenario was that Humans are supposed to be lead into the belief that they cannot govern themselves. That is supposed to be why the final governments are skeleton governments who are disposable. (thats the answer from the human side) They will take the blame and the actual offenders will be far from the accountability.

That may explain why Trump was made president. He might be the scapegoat for prior policy in North America.

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Then the ET form a pact within cordoned territories (by who or what is undisclosed). City level agreements of dispersing of resources and technological security.
Food for governance, Technological security under ET administration. Pacts and Policy changes that affect Human kind beliefs as core threats to a stable society.

Note: There is a passage similar to this story in the Bible. Where near the end, the Earth is divided into 10 segments. The prophecy in the Bible basically alludes to humanity being given power and they return that power back to some mysterious figure(s).

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Anyway, supposedly, humanity should be weary of it's own governing bodies. Supposedly the thrust is that you can't trust establishments due to their poor behavior and lack of disclosures.

To drive this home into the minds of men, women and children all the core scenarios are basically about allowing starvation to drive the choices that people will make during those times. Death is all around and everyone knows it first hand. (not through the TV)

The implication being that the lack of security provided by human establishments is like a lever, a catalyst for changes. The architects won't be human though. (regardless of what is attributed or reported)

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That leads to the scenario where there is a reformation of the mindset of humankind. Those who are going to follow pre-war of contracts philosophy vs the Re-Established post-war contracts philosophy. Most old things will seem bad I assume and new things seem better or more sensible. (supposing)

In other words, that leads to a purge (summed up summary) of old paradigms and enforcement of a new paradigm.

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Then starts the real disaster, the one where most people do not live through it.
Those scenarios are mostly about what the ending looks like after all is said and done.
War breaks out and is not a limited war. It is a fracturing of who knows what.

It ends with empty abandoned cities and very few people alive for at least a long time.

The ET refer to it as the "historical" interruption. Where the die-off is so deep and fast that there is an interruption as to what was the old way of the world. In otherwords there is a deep disconnect between the generation that follows those events and what was before.

ET's said the "historical accounts" say that most of the population remained at isolated levels until about 300-400 years into the future. With a steady build up of population and rediscovery of old technology. At 200 years into the future they (multiple ET) claim that there are ET researchers who are combing through whats left to find traces of interference by non-human sources in the timeline of events.

About the later half of the millennium the population is again about the size it is today and is more technologically advances than now. Supposedly the claim that at that point, ET release pods that have various data inside them. They stand on the ground on three legs, are a flat aluminum color and/or reflective surfaces and are full of libraries of information. They are dropped in various regions in the future and broadcast their positions so they are found. Mostly accounts of human history in pre-war of contracts era.

This in turn leads to yet another problem down the road. But I don't know enough to really say much at that point.

That is the story told on my end. Whether it is true or not, I don't know. I guess time will verify and/or discount their stories.
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What if….. the powers that be have decided that absorbing a single nuclear hit from NoKo, which would justify their total annihilation and be followed up with a non-negotiable demand that other third world countries give up their nukes, is worth it.[/quote]

I disagree with using nuclear weapons on North Korea for the simple fact that you'd be killing a bunch (millions) of farmers in the country side who don't even know what is really happening. So if they struck back it would be appropriate (IMO) to use strategic strikes with conventional weaponry.

I also don't see why they delay the strikes. It makes no sense to allow someone to carry out a threat when you have many options to prevent it. It seems some funny business is going on there.

It also makes little sense for North Korea to go out of it's way to create a problem with another nation. Even if they were being sanctioned by the UN there seems to be no incentive or gain for North Korea to carry out the attitude that it currently has. Again, something seems to be off and perhaps the media is not reporting something.

It's not like North Korea thinks it could win any conflict with any other nations. Especially if the deck is stacked against them.



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Other than reducing NK to rubble I don’t see any way to put the genie back in the bottle.

I'm not looking forward to radioactive snow, but it is only a matter of time.I don't think North Korea (the people) are really the problem.
I think it is just their governance which maybe accounts for 30,000 individuals.

If they can bomb iraq with conventional weaponry to destroy infrastructure. I do not see why they can't do the same for North Korea.
It's almost as if there is a game in play and the strategy is to take a hit on purpose?

I think that may be the case. I do not see why Japan nor South Korea can swallow having ICBM's flying over their heads.

You know if an ICBM flew over New York that there is no way in hell anyone (president or not) would sit on it and wait for a diplomatic solution. So why are Japan and South Korea holding their hand in such a matter of multiple threatening attempts?

Make sense?

Looks to me like there is something shady going on and things aren't as they seem.

Sansanoy
09-16-2017, 09:33 PM
I am actually pretty surprised to hear that.



I can second what Carrissa said. Everywhere else you go those that have experiences also fully drink of their Koolaid. You are unique in that you question those experiences. It's not just that though, when I read what you went through it fit historical and religious structures and conditions you weren't even aware of when you were writing it on the other forum. To give you an example from my perspective it's like reading a theoretical physics book, then reading an account from someone who has never read that book describe a world that meets the same conditions and limitations of those physics. Like the author you may doubt the honesty and intent of the actors (caretaker, etc) but you know they are from that world because they operate by the same laws as the book of theoretical physics suggests (Bible/Historical record).

To me what you say is important, not because the "caretaker" spoke secret things to you, but because you endured it through what must surely have been Gods hidden protection.

A99
09-16-2017, 10:56 PM
Yes, Fore is pretty remarkable and I say that from the bottom of my heart. I've never questioned that he's not an ET contactee either publicly or privately. My contacts have always said, that he's a ET contactee.

But as for Corey Goode... big question mark.

Sansanoy
09-16-2017, 11:15 PM
But as for Corey Goode... big question mark.

Indeed. Several question marks. ;)

Fore
09-16-2017, 11:49 PM
I can second what Carrissa said. Everywhere else you go those that have experiences also fully drink of their Koolaid. You are unique in that you question those experiences.

I noticed when messing with the contacts people have, by intentionally disclosing certain limitations the ETs have and reasons for why they prefer certain conditions and how to work outside of some of that given framework. That ET's show their displeasure through that contact.

But what really is interesting is how much of that is just built on inherent trust between two parties with a large moat of ignorance on one side. If you explain certain elements to someone who is affected, I noticed they seem to realize the incongruity (sp) of the relationship and that certain operational conditions don't make sense when you put it in front of them.

It is really rare to come across an ET who is (strangely) happy with disclosures and that they see it as an opportunity to really change the dynamics of a relationship.
It is almost like those few aren't negatively impact by disclosures, but rather that they have their hands tied to divulge it. If someone else does it for them they seem rather "happy" to have someone else do it for them as it seems to open up new avenues that they can't do (a policy prohibiting them?). (really rare)


It's not just that though, when I read what you went through it fit historical and religious structures and conditions you weren't even aware of when you were writing it on the other forum. To give you an example from my perspective it's like reading a theoretical physics book, then reading an account from someone who has never read that book describe a world that meets the same conditions and limitations of those physics. Like the author you may doubt the honesty and intent of the actors (caretaker, etc) but you know they are from that world because they operate by the same laws as the book of theoretical physics suggests (Bible/Historical record). I'd like to know more.

I rarely get feedback about what others see from their end of the table.

Honestly, I expected the UFO/ET phenomena and stuff to be totally different than what I experienced. The spiritual phenomena was more or less what I expected. But there is alot of weirdness that even threw me for a loop.

I got to see alot of things but don't necessarily know what it was about or what context it had. So if you have any insights I'd be happy to read about it all day long.
Seeing things from a different perspective or context is more than it's weight in gold in my mind.


To me what you say is important, not because the "caretaker" spoke secret things to you, but because you endured it through what must surely have been Gods hidden protection. Thanks for the kind words. I have come to the same conclusion.

Someone (God) seems to be giving protection. Otherwise, I could see a thousand dead ends long before now.
The fact that I never met any of those dead ends is one strange "coincidence". Thank God for that.

epo333
09-17-2017, 02:58 AM
Fore,

. . . Thank you for your replies noted on the previous page . . .

Sansanoy
09-17-2017, 11:39 AM
I'd like to know more.

I rarely get feedback about what others see from their end of the table.

Honestly, I expected the UFO/ET phenomena and stuff to be totally different than what I experienced. The spiritual phenomena was more or less what I expected. But there is alot of weirdness that even threw me for a loop.


When I was reading those "open minds" posts I was thinking of Divine council theology (Deut 32:8 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=deuteronomy+32%3A8&version=ESV) ESV). There were a lot of things that fit that, but it was more than that. There were so many things that the care take told you that had religious structures. Like the ship (irrc) that came down with 12 doors (Rev 21:12 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+21%3A12&version=ESV)), each having a symbol (each tribe of Israel had it's own emblem). I suppose what really tied it down for me is when you moved and the "caretaker" had to get permission from other entities to see you at your new location. I'm reading that and I'm thinking, "Ok this is something only an "Angel of the Nation" would have to do (Daniel 10:13). There are 70 of them (at least), and each one has divine right to a nation, and they have subordinates like the "Caretaker" appears to be. They are supposed to be like shepherds but many have become corrupted to varying degrees and strayed vastly from that purpose. They stand under Gods Judgment (Psalm 82 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2082)) for how they have treated humanity, and if I understand what Gabriel is saying in Daniel 10:21 there may be that only 2 of them that have not gone astray to some degree.

This whole system of "Angels of the Nations" is also mentioned outside the Bible by Plato.
"In the days of old the gods had the whole earth distributed among them by allotment. There was no quarreling; for you cannot rightly suppose that the gods did not know what was proper for each of them to have, or, knowing this, that they would seek to procure for themselves by contention that which more properly belonged to others. They all of them by just apportionment obtained what they wanted, and peopled their own districts; and when they had peopled them they tended us, their nurselings and possessions, as shepherds tend their flocks, excepting only that they did not use blows or bodily force, as shepherds do, but governed us like pilots from the stern of the vessel, which is an easy way of guiding animals, holding our souls by the rudder of persuasion according to their own pleasure;-thus did they guide all mortal creatures. Now different gods had their allotments in different places which they set in order. Hephaestus and Athene, who were brother and sister, and sprang from the same father, having a common nature, and being united also in the love of philosophy and art, both obtained as their common portion this land, which was naturally adapted for wisdom and virtue; and there they implanted brave children of the soil, and put into their minds the order of government; their names are preserved, but their actions have disappeared by reason of the destruction of those who received the tradition, and the lapse of ages." (Critias)

Much of what she did, or couldn't do seemed to fit a "Divine Council (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Council#Hebrew)" world view. Oh, there was also the permissions she required of you, that was also significant. That suggests a greater law above even her that she has to obey.

ScaRZ
09-17-2017, 04:10 PM
Good post Sansanoy. I would say most people just can't understand our World System ruled by forces other than human.
The political system along with every other system, (religion, education, financial etc.) are perverted by dark forces. This "System" is in place. I'm not just talking about the USA,this applies to every nation on the face of this earth. There is no way anyone can snap their fingers and it will disappear. It has been around for thousands of years and it will continue on until this system is utterly destroyed.

Fore
09-17-2017, 07:12 PM
You know what is really disturbing?

If you re-read post 2099 (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=52869&viewfull=1#post52869) and substitute human machination for the "Divine Council" you get a totally different story of events.

I always found it strange why the Bible would prophecy the world being divided into segments. But if you think about it for a moment from a perspective of a Divine Council (invisible [to us] entities ruling their territories and colluding with one another) the story takes on a different tone entirely. Then it also makes more sense as to why the world is divided into 10 sections and why there is ultimately a war.

I wonder if the "AntiChrist" famous line of "their number of their name" is "666" is a reference to how many in the "Divine Council" defect and try to establish a literal new world order that is separate from God Himself. Do they attempt to appoint a new leadership?

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I know that is going off on a tree limb and is way out there, but changing the context around makes it an interesting account of events.
I can definitely imagine there being fragmentation and in-fighting (in high places) if you rule over another territory and aren't willing to join in on the game.

I wonder if it would be something like a significant minority trying to collude to establish a new leader. It would also explain why they might want to do a reintroduction of themselves in world history.

Are ET == Angels == Divine Beings the same thing??

That is where there is alot of unknowns. We simply lack too many details to even figure it out.

Sansanoy
09-17-2017, 09:58 PM
I know that is going off on a tree limb and is way out there, but changing the context around makes it an interesting account of events.
I can definitely imagine there being fragmentation and in-fighting (in high places) if you rule over another territory and aren't willing to join in on the game.



I know of at least one battle. If you take the book of Enochs description of the watchers teachings, and then overlay that with the Greek titans you get a match. When the Book of Enoch tells of the punishment of these watchers it describes that they have to watch a great civil war between their children. Plato describes an Atlantean Empire that pushes the Mediterranean from the west in this huge clash called the titanomachy that ends in a flood. The book of Enoch and the titanomachy are essentially the same story. Even the titanomachy goes back to Sumeria which we can see through "Anu" found in the Hittite legends. From The Dictionary of Deities and Demons "In Hittite mythology, the succession passes through Anu “Sky” who is deposed and castrated by Kumarbi, and finally to Teshub, the storm God who would correspond to Zeus.” The whole Mediterranean is just one big story rewritten different ways. (edit. Oh Atlantis was divided into 10 segments as well, with 10 kings)

I lay it out in more detail here (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?2470-Explaining-Ufology-through-the-lost-history-of-the-world&p=50291&viewfull=1#post50291), in the opening section #1.

whoknows
09-18-2017, 08:09 PM
I've found this discussion very interesting. Here's another little something I hope provides fodder for thought. "The Axial Age."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_Age

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-personality-analyst/200905/the-significance-the-axial-age-the-great-transformation

pontificator
09-21-2017, 01:26 PM
Just for the record, my field has been extremely active for about a month now and is increasingly flexing itself. Temple structures can simply turn on and off, no associated pain at all for quite some time now. The ring structure activates hard, and other than it simply working for some reason, I notice that the areas where filaments extend out have been increasing in number; in other words, I'm noticing far more filaments at work than usual, these do turn on with a small amount of pain at scalp intersection. They are interacting with the ring, and are mainly associated with it.

I have, however, not been investigating whatever is going on closely. But that doesn't seem to make a difference to the various fields turning on and off. I am noting external observation, far more interest in my thought processes when finding out something new, and overall a sense that it is more of an assessment than anything else. I also suspect there is a fair degree of modelling going on there. My ability to sense "holy" beings and their presence is "much" better, as is the ability to sense third parties that are not the "dead" opposition. Empathic sensory abilities are currently accurate, with some replay, but no-longer reliant on reflecting the state of the individual concerned in my local field (this is now observational, and effectively intuitive.)

Field effects on surrounding individuals is noticeable, I have been working on minimising this effect. Planning and implementation of counteractions to future events have been occurring subconsciously, this has resulted in me being prepared for a multitude of issues that only popped up months later. I am consciously not looking forward, but it seems that the higher-mind has other ideas, or that something is directing matters to a point. At the moment I am gathering more resources, and expanding my already quite impressive library. There is also an awareness of people being in danger that I know, I am having a hard time trying not to interfere and I am not quite sure what the "right" thing is to do; one of them might not get out of Korea in time.

Fore
09-21-2017, 10:52 PM
Field effects on surrounding individuals is noticeable, I have been working on minimising this effect.

Why don't you practice flexing on spectrums that affect electricity?

(stay away from your PC though, cause that is expensive to fix)

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If you concentrate/coalesce/compact your influence field you'll notice lights tend to turn off momentarily.

When you know what kind and type of field flexing makes the electricity turn off, visit your local intersection and try the same effects on a general area.
I don't know what you field is like anymore, but try to contain it to a fixed area so that you have the greatest chances of affecting onboard electronics in cars passing by.

If I recall correctly, I noticed that concentrating/coalesce/compactifying your personal field on cars (while not in motion) and directing the field to rise/offset about a foot upwards seems to cause the car to die on the spot.

Recall the field back to you and the car will usually turn on again. Though, I noticed some parts of the car tend to hang on to the influence field charge so you have to also use ESP to manually check the cars internals to make sure all of the field is recalled back to you.

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You can think of it as a focused area wide concentration of your field. Maybe you can have someone else outside the field effects taping you to prove you can turn off strangers cars on command. It'll be funny at the least.

Just make sure you keep your field away from the camera otherwise you'll screw up the electronics on it. I also only did it on parked cars waiting on the intersections. I was warned never to do it on a moving car as the person will lose the control or the car might lock up. (dunno if that true though)

Maybe you could do it and see if anything actually happens when you "affect" a cars onboard electronics while it is in motion.
The people inside the car *shouldn't* be affected as their consciousness and organics work a bit differently. Though I noticed it takes more effort to make people momentarily blackout and it requires being pretty darn close to them.

Most people lose sight for a few seconds at a time. I am unsure if they lose hearing or not. So test with their permission or in a safe environment.
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Also you should visit a local substation and (stay clear distance wise) and try to affect the electrical pattern at the substation.
I was always afraid to do that because I am unsure if the substation would arc or not. I also can't stand sensing the intensity of the "influence" pattern thats represents high voltages.

Worst that can happen is small fire. Maybe a blackout.

I heard someone in the RV community was tasked to do such things a long time ago. So I assume it is doable. Just keep in mind technique is more important that the quantity of influence. Create an abnormality in a system and the rest of it tends to go out of whack until you pull your influence back to you.

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Also be careful not to damage the underlying pattern that describes a physical object and its properties. Otherwise abnormal physical effects will follow.

Fore
09-21-2017, 11:44 PM
Remember fundamentals:

Your inner field (inside your body) is only for creating the influence signals/patterns and these go out of your body through various "pores".
Prominent ones are on your back, your temples, your forehead and the top of your head.

You have to initialize the entire system so that all points in the process communicate properly.

Those inner signals will carry the messaging to your external influence structure. As the messaging takes place you'll need to ensure that your external structures are fully extended away from your body and functioning.

The outer structures can take heavier influence loads and does them externally into the environment. You'll have to learn on your own how to properly utilize and figure out how to change the kinds of influence the outer structures can manipulate at a distance.

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Depending on your outer field capacity to both retain and process influence. You'll find it is 10 times easier to manipulate the influence in the nearby environment using the external structures than the internal ones.

Your higher components should be used to control the external structures and the properties of the field. As it will be better suited for the job (IMO).
ESP information and targeting should all be easier if you use your higher mind interface. You should offload the control and the directives you generate internally to your higher components.

That way you can establish a perceptive view of the properties of the vehicles without mentally straining. The higher components should also be responsible for directing the act through your outer field and outer structures. While your lower components (your conscious self) should just be in charge of the directives.

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If you don't sense the inner and outer field and the structures in between. Then your setup is incorrect or not apt for the experience.

It's important to also manage how much influence you leak from the inner field so that you don't overtax your internal influence field. You should at the very least keep a positive pressure during the release of influence and issuing of the directives that control the entire exercise.

Keep in mind both your inner and outer field act like two distinct capacitors.

The inner capacitor is mainly responsible for spreading and injecting influence into cells that constitute your body.
While the outer one is for psychic effects on a larger scale on the outer environment.

Your inner influence field is governed by the weaker influence structures throughout the inside of your body.
While the outer one is controlled by the ones that (normally should) reside outside the surface of your body.

The inner ones are fragile. The outer ones are usually more robust.
But keep in mind if you don't keep a constant positive pressure on your inner system, your outer system will discharge overall.

In other words you inner capacitor doesn't have enough influence over time to fill up the outer one. The outer one can only fully develop (it seems) if it has a constant outflow. Your retention of that influence field in your outer structures is very important. As it defines how long your retention is.

The longer the retention, the less leaky you are on your outside. Meaning your external structures can keep a charge for a much longer period of time and therefore is always available.

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Outer influence structures that are not kept up in being fed influence tend to go dormant and retract back into the body.
That is why when you turn on your internal field, you sense pain as the outer structures start to ramp up and begin extending outside of the body and hover a few inches around the body.

If you want to know if they are extended or not (because you might lack ESP) then you can pass your hands through where they should be outside your body.

Or have someone else pass their hands through the area. Their hands should go numb as they intersect the invisible external structures. Or they will report their hand will feel extremely tingly (like it's asleep) and blood will pool into their hand against their arterial pressure. Some people say it feels like intense heat builds up in their hand when they pass it through their structure.

They'll also notice an invisible pressure that they can palpably touch but cannot see. Some people will describe it like "hard air" and their hands will get hot etc.

These are just simple side effects of external influence structures that are much stronger and designed for heavy loads and also an external environment to the body.

You'll also notice that you can feel their hand and it's properties as they pass through it. It'll pop into your mind like a vivid 6th sense. A sensation of all sorts but external to your skin and bones.

Just for laughs you should get them to stick out a few fingers over the structures and see how accurately you can sense it behind your back or over your head where you cannot see it with your physical sensations.

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Anyway, if you do things right, and your setup is correct, affecting electricity should be as easy as directing influence and skillfully changing the pattern behind what defines a physical property.

If you see someone pass out in their car, make note and keep in mind your affecting too wide a spectrum of patterns.
Electricity is a couple of distinct patterns. (about 5 from my count) and you can only know and record them mentally by practicing on identifying what a specific influence pattern pertains to in physical spacetime.

Sansanoy
09-22-2017, 07:32 PM
Pontificator/Fore. Can't believe I never thought to ask this till now. What is the field that moves like heatless fire and wind through your body and around it and leaves the skin where it moves with goosebumps?

Fore
09-23-2017, 01:43 AM
Pontificator/Fore. Can't believe I never thought to ask this till now. What is the field that moves like heatless fire and wind through your body and around it and leaves the skin where it moves with goosebumps?

Influence fields are (in my understanding at least) necessary; like a medium to make connections between "living things" (spiritual context) and inanimate mass (physical context).

Sometimes you could say it is the invisible glue. Othertimes you could say it is the sub-layer that defines reality and it's mechanisms.

If you are a human being, normally it is seen as a higher dimensional phenomena. If you are an ET though, it is usually referred to as a sub-reality that is the shadow of physical reality.

If you want to look at it from a Matrix style of thinking. It is just code that living things need to exist as a physical presence. It also seems to allow for flexible programming of physical processes.

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Influence that moves over and through living organic tissue causes operational anomalies. You could say it allows for non-deterministic results from a purely physical dynamic. In otherwords, something dimensionally entangled with physical processes and can alter the given physical dynamics. From creating a coherent thought or action in living tissue all the way to externalized psychic phenomena.

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If influence passes through your hands, you'll feel the physical anomalies and distortions on two separate levels.
Physically your cells will react to the abnormal presence. In some people the normal side effect is that their blood (a fluid) tends to pool and therefore their nerves tend to indicate that an excess heat is present.

You can experience the "sensation of heat" from simply attracting (blood) fluid to one spot in your body or within someone else body.

As far as I know you can do it two ways using influence over someones body. You cause *impose* on someone elses body the "influence pattern" that is associated with the command to allow blood vessels to dilate and their hands becomes red and inflamed. You can also give another command and their blood vessels restrict and the will feel all sorts of sensations.

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As for the "wind" sensation, it is the same anomaly. Only you change the patterns around so that the living tissue experiences different sets of anomalies as it passes through. Goosebumps are just a nerve reaction if I am not mistaken. I don't know how to do those.

Though when a malevolent spiritual entity is nearby, they tend to give off patterns that affect the skin and cause temperature anomalies in influence code.

I have analyzed the temperature modification that is present in ambient influence code generated by malevolent spiritual entities but never really bothered with how to create goosebumps on human skin. I got the idea on how to modify the vascular constriction code primarily from watching anomalies form near people who came into contact with entities.

From there it was simply from observing the differences in the influence that stood out. I recall I tried modifying one of the mods chests to see if it would work (with their active permission).

It escapes me who the mod was though. They reported that they felt dizzy and vertigo...or was it nausea. I don't recall anymore.

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If you touch someones head with an active field you'll readily notice the anomalies that occur inside their body. With your eyes you can track the physical manifestation of altered influence. And with ESP you can track with more detail what is happening in their influence that can't be seen with the physical senses.

Also if you do like I mentioned to Pontif. And have someone touch your external structures in your influence field (assuming you have them and they are extended beyond the body) then you'll notice mental feedback pop up in your mind.

If they close their hand or move their hand slightly, that sensation and the influence interference will be translated into your lower conscious mind. At the very least it'll be noticeable even if your not looking. You have to get used to non-physical awareness in order to really use most talents.

If you practice with someone regularly you will also notice that you will be able to access influence data within their body. It's a hop and skip away from accessing records stored in their field data (memories, emotions, thought processes, etc). (passive access)

And somewhat of a long distance leap from accessing their own internal biology and internal operations and influence field patterns to run queries/questions against their physical mind. If you succeed in that, they will "feel funny" (not the laughing type of funny, but strange) and they will somehow sense they are being internally accessed but won't specifically know what is being controlled. (Active access)

ET's do it all the time in abductions. In many ways and with varied features in play.

Active access is like:
Forging/hijacking your field to respond to the properties of mine.
So if I query a memory, your physical tissues attached to your internal influence field will begin to obey and access memory stored in living tissue.

It also means that someone more talented than I...as in an ET...could generate an active set of sensations within your own field. Making you happy but without a happy context to feel happy about. Or they could tamper with the sensation side of your physical body and introduce the sensation of ecstasy where there is none.
Or they could (apparently) generate false memories to be encoded as real time data to commit into tissue side memory.

Or they can produce artificial signaling that your own internals experiences against it's will. (superimposed imagery or a falsified 5 senses)


etc etc.

Fore
09-23-2017, 07:25 AM
From what I still remember about futzing with cars psychically and causing them to turn off:

Just from the time it takes to walk across a standard intersection you can direct your personal influence field to form within a region from one end of the street to the other and execute the task within half the walking distance. (so about 10 seconds or so with practice)

After you make your external influence field become denser than normal and occupy a fixed area about the size of an intersection and about as deep as 1 or 2 cars in length. You'll normally be able to sense the cars inside and outside (front to back) like as if it is a part of your body. In otherwords, you'll sense it's properties (in some sense) as you know your hand, arm or leg.

That because your influence field is reporting back what it is interacting with. Metals plastics and some misc electrical properties via ESP sensation.

At that point you notice certain areas of the car have a more dynamic change than other parts. Usually that is indicative of electrical activity.

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From there you have two or three basic methods to disrupt the influence properties that describe the vehicle. (can even be a semi as it is basically the same anyway.)

The first method is to pull the patterns slightly out of phase with their material counterparts. Easier said than done though.

That method is about "grabbing" the influence pattern(s) that describe critical dynamic processes in the car and offsetting them "upwards" by about a foot or so. For whatever reason, the offset seems to cause a car to turn off and refuse to turn on until you reestablish the original pattern.

For whatever reason the system stops being represented as a working vehicle and the resulting (post change) pattern feels out of whack. (that is my scientific opinion LOL)

Usually through the windshield you'll see a stunned look and the person will release the break for a second and struggle to turn on the car endlessly.

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To undo that, you just have to memorize the original patterns of the car and establish them to as close an approximation as you can and pull your influence field away from it. The Reality is that the influence field in the ambient environment (when normal) will tend to degrade any anomalies. So as you pull away your influence field and make occupy a space from one end of the intersection to another, it will normalize....eventually.

Sometimes the normalization takes quite a while. And normally someone watching me in the past would nag me to reestablish it so I don't know how many hours or minutes it might take. Although once I did it maliciously to someone I didn't like and it didn't recover it's properties for quite a while until I undid the effects on the vehicle.

So your mileage may vary.
Just make sure not to make the person call a wrecker and try to be non-destructive in experiments.
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The second method was targeting 5 distinct patterns that electricity is usually represented by. It isn't about offsetting the pattern vs the mass. But it is more like screwing with the dynamic process described in the influence more directly.

If you screw with the physics of the system, for some reason you'll tend to hear a high pitched whine in electronics or a buzzing. This one seems to be more effective at transformers and inverters.

This one is harder in practice and take alot of manipulation. It usually will result in flickering lights and brown outs.

I am unsure as to which version the ET use on vehicles. They never did it often enough to capture all the details. This method is alot more like tinkering with physics itself and tends to damage the descriptive elements of materials that have been affected.

If your going to do a sub-station then I'd recommend using this type. Not sure what your results would be though so stay out of physical range if you can manage it as your dealing with high voltages. I don't know if futzing with the physics of electric currents causes a frequency dip in the hertz of the electric system or if there is some kind of anomaly in how the electrons behave. I don't know.

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Third method is the easiest and I suspect is probably the one ET might use. (I don't know for certain)
I have described it before and it is pulsing and wave propagation. In other words, you coalesce an external influence field into a dense wall, and then pass it through objects.

This seems to disrupt electronics pretty easily without much thinking about altering patterns or focusing in on details. I don't know if it produces some kind of EMP (doubtful) or what. But I suspect what it does is it simply disrupts or rewrites some of the influence code in an object when the intensified wall of influence passes through it.

I like to call it the ESP MRI (lol) as you can also use this same effect to map things with ESP. I wouldn't recommend this method for a substation because the feedback you'll get from high voltage circuits will be uncomfortably intense for your mind to represent. Unless you pass it to you higher components or something and therefore you can ignore the descriptive data and just deal with moving the pulse back and forth.

Sansanoy
09-23-2017, 01:18 PM
I have experienced that but differently, for me it's kind of like synesthesia with touch instead of vision. This sense field goes out and when it intersects with living objects it feels like I'm touching something, not like groping lol, but echolocation without sound, like touching the non physical. I remember doing it as a kid to find my mother in a department store, or this one time at church during hide and seek I used it to locate someone that was cheating (hiding in a car). I went to the location but never found her because I didn't consider her being in the car. It pushes out like a bubble, and if I retract it I swear no one notices me unless they see me head on. If I focus it over an object it feels like I'm touching it, like its in my hand and I should be able to manipulate it but I can't. It's always around me acting like a skin touching the world around me, even sounds, like someone scuffing their feet, feels like touch in my mind and I see their feet and feel their presence of mind (exhaustion, distraction, carrying something etc). It's just like synesthesia but instead of seeing colors with sounds you feel them, along with some things you should not be able to do even with synesthesia.

This field is different than the heatless fire moved about by wind. I can focus the field bubble into my hand and feel the "Ki ball" anomaly, but other than that the field doesn't give me any sensations in my body. The fire is different in that it kind of works on it's own. Imagine if there was a 3foot candle flame and you stuck your arm through the base of it so that the lower part, the base, was forming inside your arm and the upper part that waves about in the wind was above your arm. If you could feel the fire without it hurting you or being hot that's what it feels like, like being lit up like a candle. When the top of the flame moves in the wind you feel the lower part of the flame waver with it in your body. It begins in your head and starts forming a flame from your chest. The fire spreads out toward your arms and, depending on the strength of the cause of it, your legs as well (rare). It's not like the Ki ball where you feel something subtle, it's like being actually on fire without heat or damage, and you can identify the flames on your skin where the goosebumps appear and disappear. You can even feel the flames waver to and fro inside your skull which normally feels nothing.

It can happen voluntarily or involuntarily. I remember being on the computer one time with the TV on and "the red wall" was playing but I wasn't really paying attention to it. In it one of the characters shouted "I am that is!" and I just blew up in this fire. It feels incredibly powerful and raw, but the only apparent change it makes in the world is goosebumps. I neither know what it is or what to do with it. I have given it to God every morning before work for years praying He reveals it to me.

Fore
09-23-2017, 08:08 PM
I have experienced that but differently, for me it's kind of like synesthesia with touch instead of vision. This sense field goes out and when it intersects with living objects it feels like I'm touching something, not like groping lol, but echolocation without sound, like touching the non physical. I remember doing it as a kid to find my mother in a department store, or this one time at church during hide and seek I used it to locate someone that was cheating (hiding in a car). I went to the location but never found her because I didn't consider her being in the car. It pushes out like a bubble, and if I retract it I swear no one notices me unless they see me head on. If I focus it over an object it feels like I'm touching it, like its in my hand and I should be able to manipulate it but I can't. It's always around me acting like a skin touching the world around me, even sounds, like someone scuffing their feet, feels like touch in my mind and I see their feet and feel their presence of mind (exhaustion, distraction, carrying something etc). It's just like synesthesia but instead of seeing colors with sounds you feel them, along with some things you should not be able to do even with synesthesia. Yes, thats exactly it.

I am curious about that last line though. What did you mean by "....you should not be able to do even with synesthesia."


This field is different than the heatless fire moved about by wind. I can focus the field bubble into my hand and feel the "Ki ball" anomaly, but other than that the field doesn't give me any sensations in my body. The fire is different in that it kind of works on it's own. Imagine if there was a 3foot candle flame and you stuck your arm through the base of it so that the lower part, the base, was forming inside your arm and the upper part that waves about in the wind was above your arm. If you could feel the fire without it hurting you or being hot that's what it feels like, like being lit up like a candle. When the top of the flame moves in the wind you feel the lower part of the flame waver with it in your body. It begins in your head and starts forming a flame from your chest. The fire spreads out toward your arms and, depending on the strength of the cause of it, your legs as well (rare). It's not like the Ki ball where you feel something subtle, it's like being actually on fire without heat or damage, and you can identify the flames on your skin where the goosebumps appear and disappear. You can even feel the flames waver to and fro inside your skull which normally feels nothing. I usually just chalk it up to what the influence pattern configurations are doing.

If you ever get a visit from a malevolent entity and if it creates that cold or hot air phenomena, you should try to memorize what the pattern looks like and how it operates.

If you replicate it in standard air you'll notice the temperature anomaly sans the entity.


It can happen voluntarily or involuntarily. I remember being on the computer one time with the TV on and "the red wall" was playing but I wasn't really paying attention to it. In it one of the characters shouted "I am that is!" and I just blew up in this fire. It feels incredibly powerful and raw, but the only apparent change it makes in the world is goosebumps. I neither know what it is or what to do with it. I have given it to God every morning before work for years praying He reveals it to me.

The bad thing about having a field is that it readily responds to anything it's host is experiencing.

The psychic structures themselves are like a tight bundle of programming with default settings. The influence field coming off them is like a 3D (or 4D) spider web. Emissions. Anything that intersects these emission bands of influence fields given off by the structures gives up some of it's configuration.

It's sorta like saying the spider web senses interaction and whatever entangles with it passes on information about itself. Whether it is an inanimate object, a physical process, or a living thing.

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The tigher your control, the easier it is to change the properties of that influence emission.

It's also why the ET require that you have a very clean and clear level of [perpetual] control.

Some objects will appear invisible (or nearly invisible) to certain bands of influence emissions that you'll by default emit from your personal structures.

It is a talent among the ET that they are able to fabricate ways to change the properties of those influence emissions so that they can be more receptive on more than a basic band. Not everything is on the same emission band. And some emission bands only interact (entangle) weakly with one another. By skill they can increase the bands level of interaction or alter substances they normally would not sense.

Every individual comes into the world with their own specific emission types. So someone who you can see easily, others you'll have to use a more complex procedure to pick up their unique patterns of emissions.

It's sorta like the concept of a frequency in physical space. It is like talking about microwaves vs infrared. Your non-physical detector has to change it's emissions in order to be able to detect different types of frequencies.

Sansanoy
09-23-2017, 09:22 PM
Yes, thats exactly it.

I am curious about that last line though. What did you mean by "....you should not be able to do even with synesthesia."



Well synesthesia, clinical synesthesia, shouldn't give you information that your 5 senses can't gather. So for example when I located this girl I should not have known that she was there, even with clinical synesthesia. This other world of information has to enter your consciousness in a comprehensible way so I guess it enters through the natural senses so that the consciousness can comprehend it. For me it's just unusual in that it's tactile rather than visual I guess. It also seems to detect temporal significance. For example if some object or position will become significant in the short term future ( a day) there will be a subtle drag on my attention. (hasn't happened in a while).

Is there anything of significance or discovery in the fact that individuals have vastly different natural field manifestations?

Every object has a natural harmonic frequency. If they receive just the right frequency they become really energetic. The microwave oven works the same way with water molecules. Is it possible, or have you heard of, two different fields reaching a harmonic that kind of sends your field through the roof in an always accessible way? When I initiate this it feels like there is another strand vibrating and I match my strand to it and my strand gets amplified and that's when the fire starts growing. The other strand never changes, my strand changes to it's frequency and then waves of what feels like energy starts coming through that grows into multiple flames reaching upward that kind of move about in the wind. ( when I say wind I don't mean the air. The flames move about as if there is wind, but I sense no wind)

Fore
09-24-2017, 06:55 AM
Well synesthesia, clinical synesthesia, shouldn't give you information that your 5 senses can't gather. So for example when I located this girl I should not have known that she was there, even with clinical synesthesia. This other world of information has to enter your consciousness in a comprehensible way so I guess it enters through the natural senses so that the consciousness can comprehend it. For me it's just unusual in that it's tactile rather than visual I guess. It can be anything you want it to be.

If you have good repertoire with your higher components you can dictate how the information is formatted.

If you want it as visual information, then it will be represented as such. Audioable, then that is used. All 5 senses found in the human body, then it is that.

There are also other combinations you can use that aren't senses based. Like the concept you talked about earlier of something akin to echo location except it is soundless. You can use your interpretive complex of spatial relationships to format that way as well.

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You can also use the formats themselves to alter the what is being sensed. It can be a two way communication as long as your higher components understand what your intent means within the lower consciousness.

For example, if you format the data as a 3D sensation of space. Then if you have someone who is sick and is in pain, you will have a conception of the parameters of their body and different materials and ongoing processes inside that material.

If you form a directive that defines that you want to make an alteration in real time to the sick person....such as removing pain. Then the higher component will take in the directive and perform the task within the parameters you set. For example, you have the sick person in front of you and a region that denotes pain in their knee. Pain is a set of signatures (influence patterns) which you can see. With your 3D sensation representation, you simply direct the higher components of you to change the representation as you change the representation.

The higher components will send back an acknowledgement of the directive and do the task. Then you observe through ESP the 3D representation as it changes to the parameters you set. The patients pain influence patterns are extracted and the parameters that define the knees new state are enforced.

The patient then stops experiencing physical pain sensations. At least until reality normalizes the spot on the knee. Normally that can last about 4 hours to 12 or 20 hours. It depends on the severity in real life. A cut can be made numb in seconds and last for a long time. While a deep injury can be numbed for 12 to 4 hours until you need to reassess and reapply the changes.

If it sounds like what the ET's do, then yes, it is exactly that.

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It also seems to detect temporal significance. For example if some object or position will become significant in the short term future ( a day) there will be a subtle drag on my attention. (hasn't happened in a while). Yes, that is exactly correct.

Your field is dimension-ally entangled with itself across time and probability. It is constantly exchanging all sorts of information that even you wouldn't recognize as anything humanistic. Though your structures (on the majority of people) are pre-set to filter out that communication so it does not normally appear as a representative thought or idea within your lower consciousness and it's components.


Is there anything of significance or discovery in the fact that individuals have vastly different natural field manifestations? Growing up I noticed strangeness. Some people are missing entire structures. Some have them distorted and hanging somewhat outside the periphery of their body. Others oscillate between normal dormant and normal active states.

Some people have abnormally partially developed structures while others aren't; in the same body.

The norm in people is usually completely dormant states. If you don't touch their structures, they don't become psychic. Some people though are...confused or partially aware that your field is active and affecting them unconsciously. But they normally don't seem to know anything on a conscious level. Only if you prank them and reveal details that aren't physically accessible do they become unhinged and panic.

But that is easy to discount with help.


Every object has a natural harmonic frequency. If they receive just the right frequency they become really energetic. The microwave oven works the same way with water molecules. Keep in mind you shouldn't think of influence as the same as physical space.

Distinct Influence "Objects" don't truly occupy any particular region except the formatted representation in your lower mind.

The energetic potential and the transference's that you see in physical atoms in physicality are not the same analogs as you'd see in influence space. While two influence patterns that are alike will affect (entangle) with one another, it'd be stretching it to say they can make one or the other more energetic. Thats more like a process of many different things that creates the impression in your minds eye that an influence field is "stronger" or more potent than another.

It's a sketchy subject.



Is it possible, or have you heard of, two different fields reaching a harmonic that kind of sends your field through the roof in an always accessible way? Rather than use "exitation" it would be more appropriate to say that two fields merge and operate differently.

Sorta like sand by itself is a mound. Motionless. But add a torrent of water and you'd have a landslide that carves out a region.

Process rather than excitation. I think the New Agers confuse what they sense with what is really there. (and it is an easy mistake if you only glimpse things for a moment here and there vs looking at it for days and weeks and years.)

Can you combine two influences fields and the combination looks like it is more active and works better, yeah. But the difference between an ET and a human being is pretty much influence output and structures and intricate formats of influence use.

Not some kind of energetic influence that somehow makes a simple pattern super sized. It is like a confluence of many additions that makes it seem..."more" able.

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If you've taken careful notice, you'll see that the occult is entrenched in mostly researching about combinations and processes of invisible processes (influence). Not the physical material itself.

Uh what do they call it, ah yeah, alchemy is just another version of manipulating materials to produce an end result.

In otherwords, what God does by Creative Power/Will. They try to do it by combining pieces and processes to make a certain by product possible. The occult is just a cheap imitation in every regard.


When I initiate this it feels like there is another strand vibrating and I match my strand to it and my strand gets amplified and that's when the fire starts growing. The other strand never changes, my strand changes to it's frequency and then waves of what feels like energy starts coming through that grows into multiple flames reaching upward that kind of move about in the wind. ( when I say wind I don't mean the air. The flames move about as if there is wind, but I sense no wind)As I mentioned before, above, your basically fixating on something to induce the changes in your own field.

It's sorta like the knee and the pain above. If you aren't certain, your directives are wishy washy and you don't send a clear signal to your own higher components to act upon something.

In New Agers "ideas" usually they tend to borrow from the occult systems and ways of doing things to make themselves better at talking to their own higher components. For some people faith in something, is enough to close that gap. In others, they use imagery (candles) and imagination. In others it is induced hallucinogens or drug induced states. In others, it is an inanimate objects (amulets or whatever) to help them focus their mindset. For others it is...what do they call it...........meditation.

They are basically crutches. Behavioral or mental or emotional or a needed belief or ritual to induce the proper mindset.

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In your case, you can't induce the change unless you see something formatted in a representation in your mind. When you have it, you can focus, but without it, you can't. It's pretty much that.

But also keep in mind, the differences in living beings with bigger fields vs small ones is also about what constitutes what makes it up. A bigger denser field is less about energy (as we physically understand it) and more about what kinds of distinct patterns play together to manifest the end result.

Sansanoy
09-24-2017, 12:38 PM
Thanks Fore.

Fore
09-25-2017, 06:07 PM
Off topic, but this site is being flagged by Google as bad for you:

https://i.imgur.com/yxSbxle.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2ryxQ4o.jpg

epo333
09-25-2017, 10:58 PM
The staff has been aware of this issue, and on going attempts at corrections are still in progress...:(

calikid
09-26-2017, 02:59 PM
We are running a slightly older version of vBull, the Forum software, and have plans to upgrade in the near future (probably October 2017).
The older version has some vulnerabilities, so Google has flagged our URL.
Note Google's use of the word "MAY", as in possibly but not definitively, "trick you...".

As Epo333 mentioned, a work in progress.

Sansanoy
09-26-2017, 07:34 PM
I have been getting a redirect from this site to another one for pretty much all this year. When I first go to it it always redirect s to another site. Then when i close it out it goes to the right site. In the last month two different antivirus have been reporting it as an attack site. There may be something going on because I get the redirect on 5 different computers, even brand new computers.

pontificator
09-26-2017, 11:30 PM
I have been getting a redirect from this site to another one for pretty much all this year. When I first go to it it always redirect s to another site. Then when i close it out it goes to the right site. In the last month two different antivirus have been reporting it as an attack site. There may be something going on because I get the redirect on 5 different computers, even brand new computers.

I believe I have seen this happen once, at the time it appeared to take the link to an advertisement page of some kind; the bad kind, if you are familiar with link sites.

@epo333, Personally, in this situation, I'd just get it done (in terms of the upgrade) as whether or not you are in a maintenance period or not will make no difference to the traffic level right now; I run plenty of websites, and have dealt with some interesting compromises on some I was tasked to sort out. I would also assume that the compromise that is causing this danger flag can be actively exploited, and as such it is likely that automated compromises could hit at any time. Just make sure you have good backups ;)

Fore
10-12-2017, 08:02 AM
Here is a question I need your thoughts on.

Assuming a person wanted to create a telepathic channel with another person, what would they really need (or we would assume they might need) in order to place a "mental impression" as a form of communication upon someone else?

So far, my hypothesis is that you need at least two people (duh).
I also tackle the problem from the point of view that at least one of them has to be a psychic (the transmitter) in the classical sense. The transmitters dense influence field has to envelop the second person in order for there to be a platform for the communication. At least in a very rudimentary way.

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But when I had tried this in real life what I found was that the crossing of my fields through another person doesn't necessarily impart coherent information. It appears to me that telepathy itself seems to require more than just a substantial field running through one or more individuals. One ET who was watching a long time ago gave me a hint that the problem was that I wasn't formatting the communication into the field and therefore there was an absence of some actual of information for the interaction.

I have been thinking about it lately, because I feel in the background of my mind like someone is pushing me to write this so that someone else can observe it and apparently I suppose do something with it. (the keys and lock system?)

So my thoughts are somewhat aimless and a best guess in every point.

My guess is that ETs must have an "easy enough" way to format information in a standard way that probably works across different bodies. Sorta like some kind of packet of information that an influence field can carry along and be read at the other end as some kind of sensation.

My assumption is that (like that ET from long ago hinted) some kind of higher consciousness injection or synthesis of information that can then trickle into that second persons body and be processed as audioable speech/mental content/visual or sensation content. I assume they must use some kind of "process or directives" in their higher mind that can do this. And it seems to be too easy for it to be a lengthy process.

It seemed to be as easy as breathing for them.

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So I have spent maybe an hour thinking about what I do know vs what I don't know.

I know that when I crossed my field with other people in my family, sharing influence with them seems to make them psychic. I also noticed that they seem to be in sync with what I am thinking and what I witness on the invisible spectrum. So that, I perceive, means we had an established platform for sharing information.

Often when I was distracted and thinking internally, they would experience an audioable voice but without intelligible speech. They seemed to think I was speaking aloud. So they seemed to recognize me as the source (identity information and directed communication) but they never understood the actual content because they always asked me to repeat it even though I hadn't said anything aloud.

My assumption is that the platform was once there. So at least you need one person with a dense influence field and a second individual who is affected by it. Sorta like a psychic bridge. But communication seems to be a different matter.

I noticed during each episode there was a specific sensation during my internal wanderings (pay attention to this point) where I felt a "funny/strange" feeling like my thoughts were just slightly outside or further away from the center of my head. Is that some kind of unintentional projection phenomena?

So do ET's project their thoughts in a certain direction? (my instincts say thats probably not it)

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As when we used to communicate telepathically, (even without line of sight) all I used to do was think briefly of their pattern and intend to talk to that individual. And they seemed to pick up on it. But I also noticed that multiple people could pick up on my conversation despite it being directed at someone in particular. Thats when I learned that they used some channel system where they could add and leave out certain individuals from what the group was talking about.

For example, in my youth when they would block me from perceiving their internal communication with each other; it felt as if I could perceive the largest _vague_ elements of the conversations between them but was not able to resolve the actual conversation itself. It's sorta like going to talk on a different psychic stream between themselves and leaving you on an unbonded channel.

Or like in more human terms you can say it is like parents going to another room and you can hear the intonation of an argument between individuals but not the actual content and conversation. So you are aware of them and their spatial relationship (usually) to each other and in reference to you, but you can't observe remotely what the content actually is behind that back and forth.

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So I can infer that rather than the thoughts being projected in a certain direction like as if you are talking with a physical voice which you raise towards someones general direction. It is more likely that telepathy involves targeting the intended recipient before actually communicating. And if I still recall, that pretty much what I remember.

I guess you just know where the other person is (spatially) as the psychic connection itself (usually) reveals where the sender is and what they are (assuming the identity isn't obfuscated).

But with family I wasn't targeting anyone nor intending to communicate yet they could hear an audioable voice phenomena that they couldn't decipher as actual language. So the primary issue seems to be the format of the communication.

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I noticed during influence experiments with Chris (an Admin still I think) that my initial wordless (intent) seemed to reach him while my thoughts did not. We both found it strange that pre-thought intention seemed to effectively make it over the bridge but not purposefully thought out content. Hmm.

Maybe the formated influence data is not effective as processed thought but some kind intent? Or does it mean that the higher components are the primary means of communication and the lower mental components are simply for personal reception of telepathy?? That may be what that ET was hinting at long ago.

Sansanoy
10-20-2017, 04:25 PM
Have to type from phone because its the only thing that will let me go here.

I was watching some personal stories about hubrids with L.A Marzuli and there was an account of two hubrids talk ing to eachother telepathically and the guy heard it all, and they knew it too.

I think it makes sense that intent gets through because that is something our brain could receive. If we try to speak to someone we will activate our speech center, Broca's area, and if the ears hear audio then wernicke's are will be activated and the information in the audio will be unpacked into meaning. I think telepathy would have to be visceral, so as to bypass our broca's area, and it would have to arrive in a visceral instinctive language that bypasses the person Wernicke s area. If those areas are used its like talking to your car speakers at the radio jocky. Those parts of the brain encode thoughts, and receive and decode thoughts for a sytem of aural transmission. I think telepathy would have to be apart from that system. Try this and let me know if it works, its something i felt instinctively like it should work. Think about something, then feel it. When you are ready to transmit release it as a controlled exhale, as if your breath embodied what you feel and you are releasing it. It's ok if sound is made but make sure the person can't hear it and be queued by the tone.

Fore
10-26-2017, 05:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3zTfXvYZ9s

calikid
10-28-2017, 03:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3zTfXvYZ9sFore, do any of these time travel examples appeal to you as more likely IRL scenarios vs simple SciFi plot elements (aka thought experiments theories)?

Fore
10-29-2017, 10:56 PM
Fore, do any of these time travel examples appeal to you as more likely IRL scenarios vs simple SciFi plot elements (aka thought experiments theories)?
The second one of "A Christmas Carrol" seems to be the one that is closer to real life. But it is hard to say since there are multiple ways you can look at it.
Each one has a sliver or reality in them but are (in my experience at least) not overall real in their dynamics.

IRL (in real life) I can say a couple of things based on actual experience):
--You can observe _information_ that occurs in a future reference frame.
++But not just a future reference that you are directly going to (by a sort of probability inertia) but also the ones that are slightly offset (high probabilities).

So it is sorta like a forward looking cone of possible outcomes from a present point of observation.

How far into the future you can see seems (in my limited experience) to be defined by either how your psychic system is set up _functionally_ as well as _capability_ and finally defined by the _level of activity_.

So for example you can have a totally normal person who experiences future frames of reference of themselves at 1 day/week/month/year into the future while they are asleep. But they might do this at random because they have near zero functionality (to control it or other feature sets) and they might not have access to that capability 99.9% of the time. Which obviously defines their level of activity.

By manipulating them psychically, you can increase their internal functionality and increase (through their own internal controls their control which enables them to control their own level of capability.

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So where maybe before they experience a future moment while deep in sleep 1 out of 100 times, they can now control it and induce the phenomena at will. (functionally capable which results in higher levels of activity (1/25 or 1/10 etc)

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For certain I know at the very least that time isn't linear. (as a fact rather than an opinion)
You can obtain targeted information about what you are doing (information wise) in distant moments of your future.
Most of the time, if its uncontrolled you'll glean a moment of whatever your mind was processing at that moment. A sort of fleeting convergence between you of now and you of the future then.

Thats what I think most people experience at random.

But if you have control over the mechanisms you can do it differently and access pools of your own personal post-processed information that a future you has as a reality and make it a part of the present you. Even on trajectories which are not actually lived through. So you'll get information that helps you define an invisible landscape of probable outcomes from different vantage points.

So like the ET instruct you in lessons you can see an entire conversation and it's variations and then plan accordingly.

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For example, if this were the previous me with my previous abilities; About a week ago (an example only) I would have noticed you and I having a conversation and kept taking mental snapshots about what you and me were talking about. With the main general idea in mind I could then target side versions and see how we can turn the conversation in different directions and take notice of what seems like a good trajectory to go down.

Establishing the cause based on the effect that I think is a good fit. So a week prior to you writing the message I have a defined idea as to what you are about to do and time to prepare and I should already know what should be said to drive the conversation. Sort of like probability shaping the entire exchange. If I preempt you then you'd find it weird. But if I let you go through the motions and wait my turn then I'd simply be filling in the blanks and choosing what sentences best fit the end destination.

I could add or omit details and information that makes the entire event go smoothly or simply do what everyone does.

Though if I shape/glimpse events too aggressively, and keep taking too many glimpses, you in the various future frames of reference becomes slightly more psychic each time I ping you and scan your interactions and mine. Which means that you'll start also becoming psychic, your psychic activity increases, and the potential for your own personal capability might increase as a result.

(Sorta like what happened in general on the forum when the ET's are looking and profiling. People reported psychic activity and/or became psychic from being prodded repeatedly by others or myself.)

If your "level of [psychic] activity" increases due to me looking too aggressively into what we are doing at different points of reference, then you'll become "Fuzzy" since you start to notice, on your own, whatever kinds of information bleeds through.

While you capability may be lower, it'll still afford your enough [uncontrolled] glimpses of information to start to make your actions less predictable and "Fuzzy".

Sansanoy
10-30-2017, 03:30 PM
Typing from phone while site is fixing issue.

There are two basic theories of time called A and B theory. A is the traditional linear view of time and B is the time travel view...that all moments are equally real and happening simultaneously. I have wondered if both are not true, A with islands of B. In not sure what makes a B but if nothing else now is an island of B. Where the future is plastic rather than concrete or empty.

Normally, when i become aware of the future i only know a day ahead. That had changed for the first time this month and I saw 2 weeks ahead. It comes like charades that you have to interpret and work through but I knew where I would be, the mood (sad) and which coworker the sadness would be about. I didn't know if she would be dead, or leaving the company. ( Leaving) and sure enough in two weeks she was let go and there I was standing in the same perspective I saw it from.

I have also seen time change. I was on the phone and they asked what time I would arrive. I was about to say 8 but then I had a memory of my self arriving at 8:02 and thinking I should have said 8:02. So I said 8:02 and the person 'that is oddly specific'. I arrived at 8:02 which made it impossible to have the memory and yet I had it. Sometimes it comes as a memory, some times it foggy and plays out like charades. There is a subtle feeling when the future changes. It feels like a thought of what you know slides to the left as a new thought enters into that slot as the record of what HAS happened. But you still remember the other time line. Its really bizarre when time is open.

Fore, it is incrediblly uplifting to me to hear someone recount the same experiences that I have had. While I have no doubts what is happening happened, it is incredibly isolating to bare such experiences.

I mentioned this on your time thread but all repeat it hear briefly cause I'm still on phone till site fixed. I think our biology requires a chunk view of time. Neuronal activation takes to long to consciously move your hand off the stove, and yet when you reflexively do so it is identical to what would have happened if given the time for nueronal adequacy. So I wonder if the body is not using the micro-term future to get around it's limitations... particularly the time it takes for neuronal adequacy. There is another example with anesthesia on that thread where a future events is preventing a biologial present event.

(I should mention that for me I only discover things that I WILL experience. If it is something that is not mundane and WILL become a memory then I might discover ot before it happens.)

Sorry for phone grammer.

Fore
10-31-2017, 07:42 AM
That had changed for the first time this month and I saw 2 weeks ahead.

Same, about the beginning of the month of October (during my sleep) I saw a moment of my self was having about 3 days ago.

So about a 20 day gap.

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Is it a coincidence, I wonder?

Fore
10-31-2017, 08:29 AM
I have also seen time change. I was on the phone and they asked what time I would arrive. I was about to say 8 but then I had a memory of my self arriving at 8:02 and thinking I should have said 8:02. So I said 8:02 and the person 'that is oddly specific'. I arrived at 8:02 which made it impossible to have the memory and yet I had it. Sometimes it comes as a memory, some times it foggy and plays out like charades. There is a subtle feeling when the future changes. It feels like a thought of what you know slides to the left as a new thought enters into that slot as the record of what HAS happened. But you still remember the other time line. Its really bizarre when time is open.

Same.

Just like what happened 3 days ago. I realized I was experiencing a repeating moment from my sleep. Just like in my sleep the same large truck and cars of the exact same type occurred and people said the same things and I thought the same things.

I recall the memory of the event as it starts up and I recall what comes next before the episode runs it's course. Only one time did I opt to change the events out of curiosity just like you did. Paradoxically, you recall both what was supposed to happen, in perspective, even when you change it and everything plays out exactly as it should except the elements you decided to play differently.

A strange sensation occurs in your head. It is something like an a strange feeling that an error has occurred.

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It is way more poignant if you glimpse where you are standing a couple of minutes into the future (via fully awake psychic means) and then simply stand still elsewhere. The space you occupy in error seems to feel weird. Like your occupying a dead area where nothing is supposed to be. Maybe it is a quantum error of some kind.

But the little I do know, is that a psychic system goes wonky for a few hours until things realign. I like to assume that maybe the invisible parts of me have to readjust and they go on the blink while they do so.

For whatever reason, ET's (even strangers) seem to notice the error most of the time and they are on you like white on rice in minutes to grill you on why you are messing around.

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I have noticed over the years that the ET themselves usually have this "error" feeling around them. I honestly think they use phasing as a means of insulating their presence in our space time. I say that because when they change their phase settings to be more noticeable the feeling that they are like a walking space time error just strikes you especially when you look at them with ESP.

I honestly think if they ever normalize with regular reality in full contact that it should be truly interesting.

Even the way they explain the technical points on phasing sounds like something used to insulate yourself from the effects of a normalized reality.

I was kinda surprised more than 2 decades ago when I noticed they (for a time) couldn't tell time accurately but they could perfectly tell you about every event from here to the end of the year in exquisite detail. Then when the Advisor revealed they were syncing their time to mine again, she could literally be an walking talking alarm clock with absolute precision down to the second.

Hell she even knew what channel(s) my favorite commercials were on or give me an exacting offset of how many minutes and seconds a music video I liked were on. Even if I was looking at a totally different channel or not even looking at the TV. Same with the radio.

We even used to have fun with people online when she would feed into my mind all the details about what a person was going to ask next before they actually did. People were gobsmacked (and found it disturbing and fascinating) how a real time chat with (full of supposed high end psychics) saw a real time conversion in reverse order. Questions answered above the question itself. Or questions lifted directly off their minds and answered without them typing them out. Which if your a human being thats certainly not normal.


Fore, it is incrediblly uplifting to me to hear someone recount the same experiences that I have had. While I have no doubts what is happening happened, it is incredibly isolating to bare such experiences.

I mentioned this on your time thread but all repeat it hear briefly cause I'm still on phone till site fixed. I think our biology requires a chunk view of time. Neuronal activation takes to long to consciously move your hand off the stove, and yet when you reflexively do so it is identical to what would have happened if given the time for nueronal adequacy. So I wonder if the body is not using the micro-term future to get around it's limitations... particularly the time it takes for neuronal adequacy. There is another example with anesthesia on that thread where a future events is preventing a biologial present event.

(I should mention that for me I only discover things that I WILL experience. If it is something that is not mundane and WILL become a memory then I might discover ot before it happens.)

Sorry for phone grammer.

When I was younger, (I didn't realize it until later) but some of the content of my dreams was filled with songs that wouldn't exist for another 15 years into the future.

So it makes one wonder how much of our dreams are made from slices of events from either the past or the future.

I don't get any of that strangeness anymore.

Fore
10-31-2017, 09:13 AM
The only recurring strangeness is that even though my psychic abilities are now pretty much completely dormant. The scale of control in my dreamscape keeps increasing by leaps and bounds whenever I become lucid and aware I am dreaming. (Which is now almost never)

Before I used to be able to exert control on the sleeping dream (and my mind) during moments of lucidity and awareness that I was dreaming by directly using my higher self and it's components. I could exert top - down control before. Just like in a fully awake state.

But now I can't even do that.
The magnitude of control on my dreamscape keeps changing every change of the season that I experience these episodes.
I am left shocking myself at what level of control I now have that I didn't have before and wondering if there is something I forgot to disable or something??

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For example, in the past 15 years when I became lucid and aware that I was dreaming,
I could maybe hold someone against a wall with considerable mental strain if I wasn't using my higher components to force my mind and body to obey my intent.

The strain was noticeable and considerable without resorting to my higher level of control. (the dreamscape is just a mental rendering anyway)

So the strain itself (doing it that way) would normally lead me to waking up almost immediately. Because there is a balance of how much conscious mental activity causes you to wake up. Too much strain and intent and you automatically wake up.

But I realized many years ago that just like I used my higher invisible parts to control my influence over my body and psychic features, you could also use it to control a dreamscape. Just like an indirect interface. So holding some monster against a wall and walking past it barely takes much effort as the generated dreamscape obeys what the higher components of myself force it to do.

Though the balance is always there and you can sense your actual body laying in bed asleep since you can see all ranges of feedback and you can also sense how much excessive control will tip you into waking up.

So at first using the higher components to modify repeat dreamscapes wasn't too hard but there was a limit of how many changes and what kind of changes triggered a wake up. Also in bad dream (nightmare) I could use my higher self to compel my body to cycle through the routine that leads to a wake up abnormally. So I could opt out most of the time.

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I also then realized (actually for many years prior) that I could sense when someone other than myself was creating dream content. I could discriminate between myself and some spiritual entity who was standing nearby my sleeping body. I could read and sense all the feedback of my higher components even during REM sleep.

So I could compel and tear control away from the external entity and hold it hostage inside my dreamscape. Sometimes even forcing a wake cycle fast enough that it was still struggling to disconnect from my psychic system. Most of the time I could hold them and freeze their mind in a struggle of will that they couldn't completely overcome and read back the data in their field about who they are and why are they interfacing with me psychically.

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But that one manifestation of top-down control using higher components.
I was interested in how much of a dream I could modify if I used my higher components.

I could drag at first heavy vehicles in my dream scape, with strain at first. Then later I could drag them even if they were in motion and lift them up.
That when a curious side-effect occurred. I noticed strange occurrences where inside my dreamscape more augmented sensations of real life psychic phenomena seemed to be present.

I could for example exert various forms of PK inside dreamscapes and they felt the same everytime and very real. Like a very real sensation even though it wasn't. I learned how to float and how to suspend myself in the air and other people. How to create defined spaces where dream characters couldn't move through. How to walk through walls to see entire areas that were inaccessible in repeat dreams or were never even dream of in the original first place.

Then I practiced materialization of objects but that always seemed to tip (most of the time) me into waking up.
I practiced how to move faster than other people and defying rules that are set inside a dream.
I noticed though that even if you are invisible and immaterial to another dream character you are generating they can still sense where you are even if they can't apparently see you.

I noticed if you hold up a mirror in a dream to a character that you'd see yourself. (odd)
I also (lol) wondered about what generates such fantastic detail in a dream, is it the mind or the higher components? etc
Even looked at the carpeting (really up close) in a burning highrise zombie apocolypse (lol) just to see if the detail is always there or if it generated on demand. (seemingly always there)

Even tried running to the horizon to see just how much content is generated. I found out there are bounds in a dream.
Apparently if you go far enough you can outstrip your imaginative complex.
For example, if you control the dream and make yourself immaterial and walk through the face of a mountain you will have the specific sensation of walking through material up until your dreamscape errors out and then you fall and stop and a wake cycle begins.

So at the very least the imaginative complex (however it works) in a dreamscape seems to generate content even if it is never directly seen up to a certain point.
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I also learned disturbing things. Things that shed light on the past nightmares I used to have.

I appears that the dead who invade dreams also define what the dreamscape content will be like. So if you have spiritual entities constantly attaching to your psychic system, you dreamscape will often compose memories of theirs and content of what they have been through.

More than anything, there is content during these intrusions that is consistent. I used to have alot of dead people grabbing me (nightmares) and holding me down when I was young. Never understood why until I realized that this is content from the dead entity and how it manifests inside my dreamscape as content.

So whatever death means to these malevolent beings, perhaps there really is some kind of dark place of wailing and weeping and knashing of teeth? (shrug).

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Later on (closer to present) when I shut everything psychic down some oddities began happening.
The level of control went up and not down inside a dreamscape even when not using the higher self or any interface mechanisms.

Fore
10-31-2017, 09:40 AM
For example, post turning off everything (and I mean everything).

I noticed there were episodes where my I became lucid and even though I wasn't using any of the interfaces for higher self communication nor Top-Down enforcement of intent....

The scale of control seemed to gradually increase. Which is abnormal and counter-intuitive. It made me wonder if I forgot to turn off or disable something.

Instead of the augmented psuedo-psychic phenomena inside the dreamscape decreasing in scope and scale it instead increased. But only during moment of dreamscape lucidity.

At first I could now pick up one or two dump trunks in a dream with the dreamscape version of PK. I rotated them a few feet in the air and set them down again. That should have been too big an action without top-down influence field effects?? That should have instantly skipped into a wake up cycle.

Strange. Then I could create phenomena that I couldn't even do before. Like imagine a fire and it takes place. Something that shouldn't be doable. I could pause the entire dream move to a new vantage point and then continue the events. Against a skill I didn't have before.

I could now disembody to a third perspective and see events from a different angle while still being and seeing/hearing through the character down below. I could do that but usually it was a fluke event and not a skill.

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I later realized that inside a dreamscape the events that take place are only what my entire mind has conceived of as a logical actionable process. So my imaginative complex can't replicate something it is not familiar with as a concept.

But I am not familiar with PK in real life to the degree that it exists inside of a fictional dream, so how does an imaginative complex recreate such a thing from scratch??

Finally, this long text ends with the most recent dreamscape feat from 6 months ago. Which is where I was half lucid and half aware that I was dreaming but was perturbed by a scene between two youngsters who got me angry inside the dream. So to scare the characters I tried lifting the building we were inside of which seemed to be a block long building of at least 7 or 8 stories tall. Seemed to be some kind of hospital or university. Unsure.

I attempted to lift it with the in-dream PK but it proved to be too heavy even through the whole building shook it didn't detach from the ground. The characters looked at each other and thought it was an earth quake. So I looked out at the cityscape and saw a building nearby across a highway about 10 stories tall about about a normal average sized building.

I lifted it up and noticed how heavy it is compared to a vehicle and immediately became confused because I shouldn't be able to make a change that larger given the past performance. Yet it seemed much easier than anything before. I began to hear the choas from outside and set the building back down. The two characters ran out scared which was the goal. Then the scenes changes to some kind of formal meeting where I promised I wouldn't do that again even if I were angry with the decision made by some meeting members about my behavior. (geeze, you can tell I am used to being chastised)

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Then woke up and noticed that something isn't right with this trend. If every real life feature set is turned off, my psychic/mental control should diminish and not increase. Why does it seem like the self control seems to be increasing and not decreasing? How does one go about normalizing that?

whoknows
10-31-2017, 05:08 PM
The second one of "A Christmas Carrol" seems to be the one that is closer to real life. But it is hard to say since there are multiple ways you can look at it.
Each one has a sliver or reality in them but are (in my experience at least) not overall real in their dynamics.

IRL (in real life) I can say a couple of things based on actual experience):
--You can observe _information_ that occurs in a future reference frame.
++But not just a future reference that you are directly going to (by a sort of probability inertia) but also the ones that are slightly offset (high probabilities).

So it is sorta like a forward looking cone of possible outcomes from a present point of observation.

How far into the future you can see seems (in my limited experience) to be defined by either how your psychic system is set up _functionally_ as well as _capability_ and finally defined by the _level of activity_.

So for example you can have a totally normal person who experiences future frames of reference of themselves at 1 day/week/month/year into the future while they are asleep. But they might do this at random because they have near zero functionality (to control it or other feature sets) and they might not have access to that capability 99.9% of the time. Which obviously defines their level of activity.

By manipulating them psychically, you can increase their internal functionality and increase (through their own internal controls their control which enables them to control their own level of capability.

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So where maybe before they experience a future moment while deep in sleep 1 out of 100 times, they can now control it and induce the phenomena at will. (functionally capable which results in higher levels of activity (1/25 or 1/10 etc)

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For certain I know at the very least that time isn't linear. (as a fact rather than an opinion)
You can obtain targeted information about what you are doing (information wise) in distant moments of your future.
Most of the time, if its uncontrolled you'll glean a moment of whatever your mind was processing at that moment. A sort of fleeting convergence between you of now and you of the future then.

Thats what I think most people experience at random.

But if you have control over the mechanisms you can do it differently and access pools of your own personal post-processed information that a future you has as a reality and make it a part of the present you. Even on trajectories which are not actually lived through. So you'll get information that helps you define an invisible landscape of probable outcomes from different vantage points.

So like the ET instruct you in lessons you can see an entire conversation and it's variations and then plan accordingly.

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For example, if this were the previous me with my previous abilities; About a week ago (an example only) I would have noticed you and I having a conversation and kept taking mental snapshots about what you and me were talking about. With the main general idea in mind I could then target side versions and see how we can turn the conversation in different directions and take notice of what seems like a good trajectory to go down.

Establishing the cause based on the effect that I think is a good fit. So a week prior to you writing the message I have a defined idea as to what you are about to do and time to prepare and I should already know what should be said to drive the conversation. Sort of like probability shaping the entire exchange. If I preempt you then you'd find it weird. But if I let you go through the motions and wait my turn then I'd simply be filling in the blanks and choosing what sentences best fit the end destination.

I could add or omit details and information that makes the entire event go smoothly or simply do what everyone does.

Though if I shape/glimpse events too aggressively, and keep taking too many glimpses, you in the various future frames of reference becomes slightly more psychic each time I ping you and scan your interactions and mine. Which means that you'll start also becoming psychic, your psychic activity increases, and the potential for your own personal capability might increase as a result.

(Sorta like what happened in general on the forum when the ET's are looking and profiling. People reported psychic activity and/or became psychic from being prodded repeatedly by others or myself.)

If your "level of [psychic] activity" increases due to me looking too aggressively into what we are doing at different points of reference, then you'll become "Fuzzy" since you start to notice, on your own, whatever kinds of information bleeds through.

While you capability may be lower, it'll still afford your enough [uncontrolled] glimpses of information to start to make your actions less predictable and "Fuzzy".


Just had to throw this into stir. I've always had a hard time seeing time as something flat.

This is a short vid about the "Banach-Tarski" paradox. The visual stuff starts at 11:20.

Who knows right, but if I were to try and visualize a theoretical space/time, this would be my starting point in a multiverse. Moving in that time/space would require some pretty fancy foot work.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s86-Z-CbaHA&t=2s

whoknows
10-31-2017, 07:39 PM
Here's another little tidbit I found relevant to the discussion goin on here.
All of the comment in this conference I felt were great fodder for thought. Particularly check out Tegmark's comment 13:14 to 14:27


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX-oOIFoY3E

Van Eck Phreak
11-01-2017, 03:45 PM
MOD INTERVENTION.

Post removed because of trolling.

Van Eck Phreak your Account has been suspended a minimum 30days, pending review by staff.

calikid
11-01-2017, 05:16 PM
Just a reminder people.

This is the Sanctuary Board.
Posters are encouraged to relate personal experiences that might be considered extraordinary, free from criticism.
To this end, personal attacks are not allow/tolerated.
And as always, Trolling remains a violation of ToS on all TOP Forum's boards.

whoknows
11-01-2017, 06:08 PM
LOL what did I miss? There's usually little or no response to my post one way or the other.:rolleyes: I always miss all the fun.

Garuda
11-01-2017, 07:24 PM
LOL what did I miss? There's usually little or no response to my post one way or the other.:rolleyes: I always miss all the fun.

He was trolling Fore.

Sansanoy
11-02-2017, 01:47 PM
How are you guys able to post from your pc. All 3 of my browsers won't let me in. All I can post from is my phone. And even it gives alerts.

My dreams are basically the same. Its like that same field we were talking about before overlaps intentions in a dream so when you do something thing like a jump that field makes you push back against gravity. But whats weird is that you are doing something in a dream that can be exhausted. Then when you wake that same field only does things subtly. It's also weird that while awake your body instinctively informs younto act in ways only possible in your dreams. For example, you want that glass water and your first instinct is to pull it to you rather than reach for it. It's really strange.

whoknows
11-02-2017, 06:20 PM
He was trolling Fore.

LOL Doh Should have known.

Still sorry I missed it.

I've always been a strong proponent of freedom of speech. It's hard to discern when the choice is taken away.

In the end though, isn't it really what we do, rather than what we say that defines us. In truth it may be impossible to objectively define anyone else much less ones self. To actively physically act upon the freedom of another can be objectively observed. I feel too much of this is going on imsho. What time line will we choose.

At least this is, what I think I know so far.

Peace, for now. One can only hope it will remain so.

montalk
11-02-2017, 09:00 PM
For example, post turning off everything (and I mean everything).

I noticed there were episodes where my I became lucid and even though I wasn't using any of the interfaces for higher self communication nor Top-Down enforcement of intent....

The scale of control seemed to gradually increase. Which is abnormal and counter-intuitive. It made me wonder if I forgot to turn off or disable something.

Instead of the augmented psuedo-psychic phenomena inside the dreamscape decreasing in scope and scale it instead increased. But only during moment of dreamscape lucidity.

Maybe real world psi mechanisms aren't needed to manipulate the dream world, so by trying to use them you're taking a more complex and indirect route than necessary. That goes for any real world mechanism like reaching and grabbing or walking toward something, a simulation of what you do in real life, and if you use that to retrieve a dream object it takes longer and comes with implied limitations.

There are lots of lucid dreamers who have achieved high degrees of dream control without having any real world psi abilities. I mean, the dream environment isn't made of influence, and these folks don't need built up influence structures to manipulate that environment. A month ago I realized I had PK powers in a dream and was practicing moving objects using just my intent, and it felt really natural and familiar... but no luck doing that in the waking world of course.

Have you ever tried scanning a dream character and reading his/her mind and history?

calikid
11-02-2017, 11:21 PM
How are you guys able to post from your pc. All 3 of my browsers won't let me in. All I can post from is my phone. And even it gives alerts.

<snip>

Apologies for the disruption. Google has flagged us, for using older forum software.
We have purcha$ed the upgraded package. Hope to have it installed soon. Once configured, should eliminate the "deceptive site" error page.

Thanks for sticking it out. :cool:

pontificator
11-03-2017, 12:49 PM
Yay... I'll be passing over a death-zone via train tomorrow, it's fresher than the murder scene I had a serious dose of psychometry at (before even running into the aliens, let alone reading Fore's thread at OpenMinds.)
https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/926405678763204609 This might be one of the few times I actually get to examine fresh dead spirit things a bit more closely.

I haven't forgotten about your earlier forum post, Fore, I just need to be in the right state of mind to answer it correctly. I've had a serious workload and other things going on, and now it seems that I'm to be a guest speaker at a conference because I'm one of the few people in NZ who knows anything about the topic concerned; I'll not disclose the topic, but I have that magic 5 years experience in it due to "tinkering".

Sansanoy
11-03-2017, 02:14 PM
Has anyone been able to analyze a ghost. I have seen one, but it left as soon as I became aware of it. It entered my room at night and was at the foot of my bed staring into my eyes and forcing it's way into my dream. But walked out of view and gone before I even realized it wasn't a living person. (Thought it was someone that wandered into my dorm room) I had gathered from a book on excorcism (amorth) that some dead humans are all mashed up inside and dislocated. Like they are disassembled and reassembled but never complete.

I thought it was also strange that the "ghost" was behaving in the same way as an "ET", through the eyes. It's entirely possible it wasn't a ghost.

Sansanoy
11-03-2017, 02:20 PM
Has anyone been able to analyze a ghost. I have seen one, but it left as soon as I became aware of it. It entered my room at night and was at the foot of my bed staring into my eyes and forcing it's way into my dream. But walked out of view and gone before I even realized it wasn't a living person. (Thought it was someone that wandered into my dorm room) I had gathered from a book on excorcism (amorth) that some dead humans are all mashed up inside and dislocated. Like they are disassembled and reassembled but never complete.

I thought it was also strange that the "ghost" was behaving in the same way as an "ET", through the eyes. It's entirely possible it wasn't a ghost.

Fore
11-03-2017, 05:36 PM
How are you guys able to post from your pc. All 3 of my browsers won't let me in. All I can post from is my phone. And even it gives alerts. There is a little hidden link at the bottom which allows you to go past the warning screen.


My dreams are basically the same. Its like that same field we were talking about before overlaps intentions in a dream so when you do something thing like a jump that field makes you push back against gravity. Actually in my dreams the influence field is still invisible to me. I don't see (by visual cue) any particular thing (color, light or whatever).

What I do sense is a more acute form of (by several orders of magnitude) of it's manifestation in dreams. In a dream state for example, it seems very real and pronounced while in real life it is far more subtle by comparison. It also feels like what I suppose I'd imagine if you had it fully manifest as a palpable sensation.

There are so many questions and situations inside a dream state that leave me scratching my head in wonder.

It's actually nice to be able to talk about it and bounce off the wall experiences I still don't have a good understanding for by the way.
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For example, the dream state augments the sensation of touch and feedback from a virtual influence field.

In real life, I used to be able to sense objects all around me. But in a dream state I can sense objects characters and people even though I have no line of sight to them. (when I was actively using it of course, if I am not, I cannot sense anything just the five regular senses)

When I use PK to pick up a character or immobilize them I can sense their insides and the area around me and them. I can even sense the entire dreamscape. Including objects that are large and complex. For example, pick up a car using in dream PK and you get values in your higher mind about how heavy it is, what it's internals are defined as, etc. If you reach out and scan the ground you can sense it's makeup and details even without looking.

But that begs the question of why? Why would I be able to sense something which is for all intents and purposes a fictional and imaginary landscape?
Thats kinda odd isn't it? And how does your own mind know what full on PK should feel like? Is it just an imaginative rendering of what I assume it should feel like?

I have tried to recreate fictional objects whenever I get the chance. For example, I once tried to make a phaser from star trek in dream. I noticed whenever I make any object manifest, it strains something invisible inside me. And almost always the dream pauses for a second. A value appears in my higher cognition informing me of how much this act will lead to me waking up.

After that the object I desired appears to materialize. But then I tried firing it and the dreamscape appears to freeze followed by a higher cognition indication that some kind of complexity or error has just taken place. On the first try, this led to the dreamscape freezing and the manifestation of the object, but upon firing it, it seems from the feedback that my lower mind/higher mind does not seem to know how to apply the physics to the object. The dream scape locked up, went dark and the wake up process began.

Repeating the process several times later on, I was able to fire it as I filled in the blanks of what the physics should be but the hot part seems to have a dull effect. Which means that what the mind understands intimately as reality defines the dream and it's properties. It's like I don't personally *really know* what the thing should be like in real life and therefore the effect is uncertain or poorly defined.

Things that are more familiar like generating money in a dreamscape seems to work after a short freeze and the money pops into the hand your are holding out in front of you. Another odd fascet to the dreamscape is that characters seem to be genuinely surprised or have reactions to these feats. You can envelope them in an effect being generated but they seem to have genuine reactions.

Though almost all characters inside a dream (at least in mine) are seemingly dull when having a conversation with them. They seem to be fragments of yourself but by themselves aren't the full sum.
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But whats weird is that you are doing something in a dream that can be exhausted. Then when you wake that same field only does things subtly. That another oddity. Exhaustion. I am unsure why one would be exhausted in a dream right? I guess whatever is learned as real to you is real inside a dream even if it doesn't quite make sense.



It's also weird that while awake your body instinctively informs younto act in ways only possible in your dreams. For example, you want that glass water and your first instinct is to pull it to you rather than reach for it. It's really strange.Actually it is my higher mind connection that tells me it, which is just another part of me but not directly within my conscious mindset.

I can query it for all kinds of information when using it, including what my real body feels like in the middle of a dream and the area surrounding it. I can even access real world ESP from inside the dream to determine if anything is surrounding my real body.

I am pretty sure there isn't a slew of words for describing it. But it is just internal communication from various internal extremes of yourself.

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If I have this much stuff, then I can only imagine what a full on ET must have at their full disposal and how they are set up internally.

Fore
11-03-2017, 06:02 PM
Yay... I'll be passing over a death-zone via train tomorrow, it's fresher than the murder scene I had a serious dose of psychometry at (before even running into the aliens, let alone reading Fore's thread at OpenMinds.)
https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/926405678763204609 This might be one of the few times I actually get to examine fresh dead spirit things a bit more closely.

I haven't forgotten about your earlier forum post, Fore, I just need to be in the right state of mind to answer it correctly. I've had a serious workload and other things going on, and now it seems that I'm to be a guest speaker at a conference because I'm one of the few people in NZ who knows anything about the topic concerned; I'll not disclose the topic, but I have that magic 5 years experience in it due to "tinkering".

Make sure you have them sign a waiver of liability for any damage to electronic devices. (Laptops, projectors and the occasional ceiling lights) (just a guess?)

epo333
11-03-2017, 10:45 PM
Yay... I'll be passing over a death-zone via train tomorrow, it's fresher than the murder scene I had a serious dose of psychometry at (before even running into the aliens, let alone reading Fore's thread at OpenMinds.)
https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/926405678763204609 This might be one of the few times I actually get to examine fresh dead spirit things a bit more closely.

I haven't forgotten about your earlier forum post, Fore, I just need to be in the right state of mind to answer it correctly. I've had a serious workload and other things going on, and now it seems that I'm to be a guest speaker at a conference because I'm one of the few people in NZ who knows anything about the topic concerned; I'll not disclose the topic, but I have that magic 5 years experience in it due to "tinkering".

. . . For some reason I feel compelled to tell you to be wary of attachments(entanglements) . . .

Though you may not see this post before your speech tomorrow.

I would be interested in the size of the conference involved.

epo3

Fore
11-03-2017, 11:19 PM
Has anyone been able to analyze a ghost. I have seen one, but it left as soon as I became aware of it. It entered my room at night and was at the foot of my bed staring into my eyes and forcing it's way into my dream. But walked out of view and gone before I even realized it wasn't a living person. (Thought it was someone that wandered into my dorm room) I had gathered from a book on excorcism (amorth) that some dead humans are all mashed up inside and dislocated. Like they are disassembled and reassembled but never complete.

I thought it was also strange that the "ghost" was behaving in the same way as an "ET", through the eyes. It's entirely possible it wasn't a ghost.

What led you to the conclusion that this entity was trying to force it's way into your dream? (What nuanced elements stuck out at you that led you to this conclusion?)

(I ask it because I am collecting information to figure out how people determine things from a given experience)

Fore
11-04-2017, 12:02 AM
Maybe real world psi mechanisms aren't needed to manipulate the dream world, so by trying to use them you're taking a more complex and indirect route than necessary. That goes for any real world mechanism like reaching and grabbing or walking toward something, a simulation of what you do in real life, and if you use that to retrieve a dream object it takes longer and comes with implied limitations.

There are lots of lucid dreamers who have achieved high degrees of dream control without having any real world psi abilities. I mean, the dream environment isn't made of influence, and these folks don't need built up influence structures to manipulate that environment. A month ago I realized I had PK powers in a dream and was practicing moving objects using just my intent, and it felt really natural and familiar... but no luck doing that in the waking world of course. It also felt really natural and familiar to me as well. (unknown as to why though, shrug)


Have you ever tried scanning a dream character and reading his/her mind and history?I have been researching my memories of all the various tests I have done and I can't say I have through psychic means.

What I have done is ask them about what they did before (like as in yesterday). And they respond naturally with a certain story. So for them, there is continuity.

I have tried to run into the distance and after a certain threshold there is some dream skipping/freezing and sometimes new landscapes fill in. Other times if you keep going eventually it sorta stops abruptly and you get kicked into the waking cycle.

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About 70% (best guess) of my dreams are repeats. So I recall dreams as they start up if they are old reruns.
Some rerun dreamscapes are fixed in the lapse of time that they take place. So in-dream, if the dream only lasts a perceptual 2 minutes of activity, then even if you go elsewhere the events take place in a series of fixed events while you change your perspective by wandering away.

Even if you aren't straining the dreamscape by making changes and are wandering aimlessly, you'll be cut off at the end of the dreams runtime at the end time.

In other repeat dreams, the characters remember what you and they did and recall what was done months or years prior in the last encounter. How is that possible? I dunno. (a total mystery)

You can also advance to a point in a rerun before you are supposed to make you appearance in the original version and you can see the characters playing out the actions that later lead up to the ones you see in the original. Meaning that the dreamscape has some kind of continuity even if you won't actually see it.

(I made it a passtime to get people out of trouble from the foreknowledge of later end events of a dreamscape...just because)

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Side note:
I have also noticed anomalous content that I am pretty sure does not come from my own background experience.
I have seen some futuristic tech like laptops with bendable plastic like screens that are fully functioning including their operating system.
PDA's that are way fancier than some of the stuff I have seen.

I have seen some strange looking labs full of all sorts of accessories in what is clearly some kind of ET work space. Full of all sorts of items that if you look at them they don't have any obvious use. Entities that are strange looking even from an imagination.

I think anything you allow to touch your mind is also going to leave behind traces of it's experiences from Real Life embedded in your inner workings.

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For example, your common phantoms always seems to have dark distressing dreams shared with other dead zombie like beings. But since I stopped dealing with any such entities that kind of dream content has completely disappeared.

When the dead touch your dreamscape it seems like there is alot of pursuit going on and other dead beings constantly accosting you. They also almost 25% of the time always have a dark place within the dream that is like a scary abyss. It's always represented as an out of the way location which is full of absolute terrors.

In some dreamscapes it manifests as a tomb, a (very old) doorway which has an extremely attractive pull like gravity or a black hole. And in the threshold you can hear and sense....death or horrors that I am impelled to avoid.

Some of those dreams are of a cave and underground concrete sub-basement system which stretches out infinitely into the distance and you hear wailing and movement and see dead corpses walking as if they sense you in the distance. Sometimes I have run through it intentionally just to see how far I can advance even by...lets face it, cheating...by holding back the hordes of dead things with invisible walls.

But it always ends the same, I never make it too far and the terror seeps right out at you no matter how well you think things through.

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After I knew of God, the few intrusions that do occur, are now handled with a prayer within the dream. As far as I know, God seems to always be closeby even somehow capable of seeing what is happening inside of the dreamscape. When I have an intrusion by some entity and a prayer brings God around, the entity seems to lock up and freezes (not like a dream freeze) as if something truly strong has it in an invisible grip. They feel...I dunno...terror? Reckoning? I don't know.

The next time the dreamscape repeats in the future there is nothing like the entity. It is just a dreamscape without anything in it. As if the shell is all that remains.

Even dreams that have nightmare content but are completely my own internal generated content, are somehow empty or lack the fearful content. It's not always like that but it's as if God does a good scrub on the dreamscape and leaves less and less to have nightmares about? (epic shrug)

Not sure what else to bring up.

Sansanoy
11-04-2017, 03:22 AM
What led you to the conclusion that this entity was trying to force it's way into your dream? (What nuanced elements stuck out at you that led you to this conclusion?)

(I ask it because I am collecting information to figure out how people determine things from a given experience)

Well the girl was in my dream, along with another girl. One of them had me by the hand and was pulling me hastily into some woods on the side of the road. Then I opened my eyes and she was there at the foot of my bed staring into my eyes. I thought maybe they were leading me to their body, but there is no way to know for sure. Some one else had seen this same girl in that dorm. She was able to describe her clothing without hearing my description. What so odd is that I thought she was a living person, meaning I really saw her with my eyes, but my eyes are not capable of seeing something that can walk through a locked door. Even more why leave through a shut and locked door when the wall is just as impossible. It's very strange.

Sansanoy
11-04-2017, 02:18 PM
Oh and this part os strange. The girl holding my hand and pulling me into the forest ( leading me, not by force) was not the girl that was staring into my eyes. The girl that appeared was simply with the leading girl and did not really do anything but be 'with' the leading girl. The leading girl was the main character in the dream, but the girl that was simply with her was the one that appeared in reality.

Fore
11-04-2017, 05:37 PM
Well the girl was in my dream, along with another girl. One of them had me by the hand and was pulling me hastily into some woods on the side of the road. Then I opened my eyes and she was there at the foot of my bed staring into my eyes. I thought maybe they were leading me to their body, but there is no way to know for sure. Some one else had seen this same girl in that dorm. She was able to describe her clothing without hearing my description. What so odd is that I thought she was a living person, meaning I really saw her with my eyes, but my eyes are not capable of seeing something that can walk through a locked door. Even more why leave through a shut and locked door when the wall is just as impossible. It's very strange.

Optically, what does it look like when the entity traverses through the wall? What is the transition like as it passes through a solid object?

Fore
11-04-2017, 06:01 PM
One thing that deeply bothers me about writing about my experiences is that I always feel like revealing it is some kind of "deep secret".
I have this overall impression that every time I talk about a tidbit or some detail, I am somehow giving away some kind of forbidden knowledge.

I don't know if my feelings are just pretentious or what, but thats how it feels. Like I am doing a bad thing.

I have also noticed that when I talk about it, I feel like there is an "invisible quality" or "value" that is noticeable even in the physical, that somehow gives you the distinct impression that you are doing something which calls attention to yourself. Is it paranoia?

Like stretching a rubber band and waiting for it to snap back at you. It is a predictable phenomena and (unfortunately) extremely reliable.

The problem is, there is a notable correlation between talking about "things" and a direct feedback of deeply negative events happening.
Talking about it statistically, it may just be that my impulses to talk about it, correlate with events nicely. Or perhaps talking about it, is what triggers very negative events.

For example, on November 1/2 I had to put one of my baby chihuahas down. She went well and as painlessly as we all could manage. Things went well.

I even knew about 10 days earlier because an angel notified me of the expected event. I have not said that to anyone else yet. But they saw me crying and only I know why. But I believe it was a notification made in kindness rather than dread. Though everytime I am told, I feel dread and powerlessness to change anything.
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I feel like talking about these topics makes bad events pop off. Or at least there is a tangible correlation.

Stop talking about it, and there is a long lasting good time. Talk about it, and suddenly there is trouble out of every corner. More trouble than you can shake a stick at.

It is (in my perhaps confused view) as if I bring trouble to the table. As if something I say or reveal is a severe sore spot for something/someone else.

Yet, who actually reads any of it anyway? A few select people and from there it goes nowhere. So where is the harm?
I have long known that negative entities have a severe dislike of me, but none of us (in my family) can really figure out why.

What is it that bring forth such ire? What is the focused hatred about? I owe no one anything, specially the dead. So why do they task themselves with bringing such trouble. From a point of logic it makes little sense. They could use their resources elsewhere doing something useful.

It's not like the knowledge I gained is high level info in either case. It is just some select picks from some ET or from observing them (the spiritual activity side of the coin). I can't imagine it would really do much harm to even talk about it. You can probably go into any bookstore and you'd (I dunno if true) probably find better accounts with 10 times the details and examination and whatever.

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Yet even God and the Angels seems to ward over me and ask me in sometimes subtle, and sometimes not so subtle ways, don't talk about it.
Sometimes an Angel has given me the heads up that you'll bring (ire/their attention) to you if you say something. Don't unnecessarily irritate "them". (spiritual)

Sometimes they point out to not go out of the way to irritate the ET (physical).

I get the feeling deep down inside that even God does not approve of talking about it. That it is somehow evil. (I am unsure, I would love clarity in all this)

I get this shunning feeling from talking about it. As if I am doing evil by saying something or sharing something. (which probably is the case)

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These are my sentiments and feelings, not meant to be particularly logical, but just an exposition and observation.

Sansanoy
11-04-2017, 10:43 PM
Optically, what does it look like when the entity traverses through the wall? What is the transition like as it passes through a solid object?

Unfortunately I didn't get to see it. The door was obscured by a wall. When I woke I saw her staring into my eyes. In total she continued to stare for about 10 seconds. I said what are you doing here or something like that and then she just lifelessly turned toward the exit and walked as if to leave by the door. She left my view, and still thinking that she was a real person I said where are you going and chased after her. When I got to the door I reached for the knob surprised that she had already left and closed it. When I turned the knob the deadbolted flipped over and for the first time that night the door was unlocked. That let me know that no physical person was there. But I never got to see her actual exit.

I think most people will simply discount what we say here...as already evidenced so there is little public danger. Unless there is someone specific here that should not know something. I take great interest in what you say so I hope it's not me, for me what you say provides the fine details of things I am more roughly aware of and it also validates my experiences and makes me feels less alone and freakish. It's uplifting to me.

I get some major pushback when I witness online. The attacks come right through the other persons mind and takes a while to close off. Like a one sided soul tie. I have never experienced a provoked attack directly, it always seems to come through someone.

Secrets are what allow an entity to operate unapposed. It's the revelation of secrets that bring about war for better or worse. I figure a good question to ask is who is served by the secret and to what end. All I know is Ghosts should be in Sheol, but for some reason some are not. Or at least 'appear' not to be, seems like with angels and ETs appearance is not indicative of nature.

Is there a rule not to tell the truth when you know it? I don't know...there is definitely a rule of prudence, and moral obligation, but a ultimate rule....I'm not sure.

I see the caretaker as a subordinate of an angel of the nation. If the end of Daniel 10 means what I think only 2 angels of the nations are one the right side of this war.

I don't know what side she is on and I haven't read everything but she definitely has a purpose for what she taught you. Angels are so very strange, things seem more like a spy movie sometimes instead of a white and black hat western. The good ones and the bad ones untruthfully appear as men, some towards good ends and others toward bad ends.

As far as ghost all I know is that they are supposed to be in Sheol. Some demons are allowed? to roam, and from what I read in the exorcism books earthly ghosts, some at least, are more rightly demons in the way they have become reconfigured. But I have no way of verifying what I have read. It is also Jewish tradition that the soul is allowed some time on earth before it leaves for sheol.

I think you definitely call attention to yourself. I see some people's potential like gravity and space time. The idea that a planet sits like a weight on a sheet pulled tight and any marbles that get near roll down to the center. Your potential is great, and that is the result of those who now worry about it. Since you have chosen a side all that work stands in a new potential. The one thing I do know is that outside of us flesh and blood types the lines are very clear, you are either with God or against him. If they are outside that line I don't they have any right to secrets.

I think i'm getting better at thumb typing.

Sansanoy
11-05-2017, 12:01 AM
I should mention that I do get non explicit push back. Usually in the form of extreme self doubt. Which I feel right now and which will certainly carry over into no sleep tonight when I scrutinize everything I just said over and over again while I try to sleep. Oh joy.

Fore
11-05-2017, 01:12 AM
Unfortunately I didn't get to see it. The door was obscured by a wall. When I woke I saw her staring into my eyes. In total she continued to stare for about 10 seconds. I said what are you doing here or something like that and then she just lifelessly turned toward the exit and walked as if to leave by the door. She left my view, and still thinking that she was a real person I said where are you going and chased after her. When I got to the door I reached for the knob surprised that she had already left and closed it. When I turned the knob the deadbolted flipped over and for the first time that night the door was unlocked. That let me know that no physical person was there. But I never got to see her actual exit.

Thanks for that info. I wonder if not being able to see it satisfies some kind of requirement.

I noticed many years ago during experiments on Spiritual Entities that ghosts (regular type) seems to be sensitive to quantum effects. Since you can see details with ESP turned on, it showed me that people had bubbles of quantum-like static of varying sizes. Consciousness seems to affect the fabric of reality to some degree. And that...(don't know what the right expression should be)....quantum static seen via ESP is like watching something certain vs uncertain.

At first I thought looking was somehow related to the stability of perception or something. But then I noticed that the influence fields seem to affect (very lightly) the quantum static around living beings. Even normal individuals without active psychic ability. Then, I took a look over time at regular ghosts and noticed they were sensitive to how conscious regular observers (who couldn't even perceive them) defined quantum stability. Conscious presences seems to affect their own values as a "real" thing.

Later realized that there was a hidden variable that they were either positively or negatively affected by. Some kind of psuedo-spiritual/influence value that surrounds regular people. Sorta like a natural barrier. Which I later attributed directly to some kind of [spiritual] permission. It seemed to affect the quantum static and negatively affected the ability of the entity to reside nearby to normal regular people.

In essence, everyone has a value that is intangible but encoded around them. Some kind of protection system probably from Higher Order beings or some spiritual source (?)

Someone who has a depleted value, indicates (warning issued)...wow I haven't received one of those in about a year or so....

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Someone who has a depleted value, indicates that the ghost is able to be extremely "real" and affect the area inside and surrounding them and their quantum state.
I believe I haven't talked about this topic very much but I think I have mentioned it before, just not in alot of detail.

Anyway, when someones invisible barrier (this value that I don't have a name for...yet) is down to almost nothing. It appears that the entity can manipulate the influence/quantum static surrounding them.

I noticed this must be true because I realized (in person) and through reading stories that this value oscillates (WARNED AGAIN, much more intense)....

Fore
11-05-2017, 01:19 AM
I noticed this must be true because I realized (in person) and through reading stories that this value oscillates and indicates directly that this person is vulnerable to entity manipulation.

But when I say manipulation, I mean (The sensation crossing my mind is something is coming...)

But when I say manipulation, I mean, not just strictly mental or internal wise. But literally the targets area, that they exist in and what defines them and their specific path/patch of reality is "open to changes".

In otherwords,....I can't write much else....

Gotta let things cool down I feel like something ?good? wants to stop this in its tracks.

Edit: Now I feel that value welling up, that something real bad has to happen. That gut feeling that something bad is gonna go down.

Fore
11-05-2017, 01:27 AM
Well if I am going to suffer I might as well have whoever is affected pay the dividends.

God help me, that I am well protected and that I make it out of this with everything intact.

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Fore
11-05-2017, 01:59 AM
I noticed this must be true because I realized (in person) and through reading stories that this value oscillates and indicates directly that this person is vulnerable to entity manipulation.

But when I say manipulation, I mean (The sensation crossing my mind is something is coming...)

But when I say manipulation, I mean, not just strictly mental or internal wise. But literally the targets area, that they exist in and what defines them and their specific path/patch of reality is "open to changes".

In otherwords,....I can't write much else....

Gotta let things cool down I feel like something ?good? wants to stop this in its tracks.

Edit: Now I feel that value welling up, that something real bad has to happen. That gut feeling that something bad is gonna go down.

I noticed this must be true because I realized (in person) and through reading stories that this "value" oscillates and indicates directly that this person is vulnerable to entity manipulation. This given "value" of protection, it allows the quantum static to be manipulated by an external entity. OR precludes it.

That "value" thing makes malevolent entities want to stay away from that specific observers patch of reality. The "value" if positive seems to repel a ghost entity. They don't want to be near it. They also can't touch anything the observer is touching or affecting as it affects their cohesive presence.

(sensing Malice, it looks like the warnings are of Good source trying to warn me off from the subject because something BAD is coming due to what I am about to write. Like a guard ringing the warning bells of an impending danger is turning towards me.)

If you have two people, each with their own quantum static field as seen through ESP.
Person A has a negative "value" that represents their Pseudo-Spiritual protection.
Person B has a positive "value" that represents their Pseudo-Spiritual protection.

(being warned again, good warning....danger)

If person A is alone in a room with a ghost entity, the ghost can literally walk up to them and affect their patch/path of reality. Affect their influence, their mindset and apparently even induce abnormal changes in that patch of reality.
If person B walks into the room with the ghost entity, the patch of their quantum static disrupts the presence of the ghost entity and they want to stay away from their presence.

They will hover just outside the horizon of that quantum area. Watching and waiting.

The typical horizon which I have measured is around 40 feet to 300 or so. It is non-uniform in shape in the tests that I could manage in the past. And it doesn't appear that this is depending on eyesight or where the person is staring at. It fluctuates in size. Perhaps it is defined by their influence field? I don't know.

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Anyway, if my understanding is on the mark. Then if an entity is holding up a hammer in the presence of (WARNING AGAIN, Malevolent source) Person A. And person B walks into the room, the entity will lose their ability to manifest changes. It should stop.

This value also apparently changes based on behavior.

If Person B chooses to communicate or invite (WARNING, malevolent) the entity, then their "value" also drops into the negative. If it is done repeatedly, the person can drive the value so low, that the entity is able to pull off feats in private able to even harm the person physically.

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Someones who is skeptical has a given "value" in their profile. If the value is too positive, the entity cannot manipulate the space inside and around them. It seems to be (I think) the real reason why activity ends as soon as a positive (or high enough) "value" person shows up when an entity is performing.

ESP observation wise someone who is considerably has the negative "value" can literally be physically manhandled. You can sense their patch of observation is flexible or pliable and adjustable.

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I have long suspected that "healing" is actually....literally, about manipulating potential probability and simply sculpting results to match a desired outcome. Which is why I am not too surprised since long ago that apparently influence fields play a large supporting role in psychics and their random number generators.

You may start to see the resemblances of associated phenomena if you have read the above.

And if you are wondering what the space in between feels like when no one is observing it. It feels slightly different via ESP.
Not exactly dead, but the static is noticeably different. You can clearly sense where a living presence (or a dead one for that matter) defines it's area of....observation and where it ends. It was one of the reason why I went out of my way to test various phenomena under ESP and pre-cognition.

I was never able to separate the observation of this quantum static from the center of the body, but I was able to figure out that we seem to be in a quantum sync and that if you view your actions before they happen, and then define a different outcome, all sorts of things seem to go all weird. Like an out of sync patch/observer in a dead/silent/inert area.

I wonder if thats what entities sense all the time?

Fore
11-05-2017, 02:23 AM
I have a hypothesis that prayer (well not the act itself, but specifically what is gained or granted through it) seems to change the values into the positive.

Looks like that results in a sort of blessing which is in a simple way, just a change of potentials for a beneficial outcome. How it fully works is unclear to me at the moment (and probably forever will be). But it seems to work.

I wonder if that what the new agers means by "raise your vibrations?". Hmm, I doubt that they mean the same thing but maybe thats just a...um a phoney way of misdirecting masses of people into believing they can isolate themselves from a given phenomena by changing how they think. (IMO)

Which is sorta cunning if you think about it. Its kinda like a double-speak isn't it? Thinking and action does have a role, but is that by itself enough to define the state of that value?

Though the central issue is how the technical factors actually get addressed. I am completely uncertain if you can increase the values positively by simply changing the way you talk or think alone. I am unsure if the body generates it, or if this is a default state granted on some other level and maintained on some other level of reality. (The latter is my preferred explanation)

<Mega Shrug>

Fore
11-05-2017, 02:31 AM
Sorry for posting so much.

But I had an interesting thought cross my mind just now.

I wonder if ET's are capable of doing the feats they do, simply because they use the very same mechanisms on a whole different level/magnitude.
I am rolling the idea around in my mind and it makes more sense than alot of things.

Fore
11-05-2017, 03:03 AM
EDIT:
FINALLY, things have been explained to me in a way that I can understand it. Now it finally makes sense.
I just had an encounter (still ongoing with the malevolent presence) It's trying to influence me but can't.

And someone explained what the problem is. I am unsure who is explaining it, the malevolent entity or something that is holding it back.

The answer given to me in plain english is the following:

I am using derivative knowledge granted or gained from two different groups of beings. (The spiritual malevolent and the ET)

The problem is, that in using that knowledge they are laying a claim of rights to manage me. The claim is that it is their "property" which is in use. Therefore when I speak of it, their claim is legitimate.

The same is true of the ET. If I use derivative knowledge of theirs, they can lay a claim upon me.

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The voice then says if I don't speak of the knowledge, then no claim is held against me.
Which when it dawned on me that it is logical and that makes sense to what I was just typing out a minutes ago. Without realizing it, I am using something gained and implementing it in my works. Therefore they lay the claim to own it and me.

The mysterious answer given at that point is to simply not speak on it. Therefore the claim is invalid.

It also added that if I continue to develop the knowledge by spending my time on it, eventually the answers will deepen and the claim will deepen too. The voice said "they" aim to "own me" by letting me develop ever increasing knowledge and insights. (implying "they" will come to collect eventually when it is my time)

Then I asked if this is the case, what can I do to continue talking about it, is there a way?

The answer that came to me is to seek "a commission" from someone else who is willing to say that I am working on their behalf. I then realized that by commission it is implying I get permission from God? But the return answer is that is unlikely to ever happen and therefore my only choice is to drop the matter.

I don't know why but I realized that I am putting the predicament in my own lap everytime I talked about it. I am the one to blame for all the misfortune. And I just realized that is why God seems to shun my talking about it. Makes sense.


So well informed and yet completely blind to the obviousness of my own stupidity.

Edit: It also said that anyone who sees and knows the knowledge is being levied a claim of owning them as well. It said I am inadvertently allowing access to a large pool of people by giving them knowledge.

Sansanoy
11-05-2017, 12:23 PM
Sorry for posting so much.

But I had an interesting thought cross my mind just now.

I wonder if ET's are capable of doing the feats they do, simply because they use the very same mechanisms on a whole different level/magnitude.
I am rolling the idea around in my mind and it makes more sense than alot of things.

I was thinking this as well. The way that ghosts operate on us appears to be the same way demons do, and if ETs are angels this becomes an even more disturbing scenario. It means that day by day we pass ticking time bombs. With social media and television one event could change half our world from a B to an A overnight. Toward the end of days demons and angels are supposed to increase as they become unsealed. Maybe this is part of the plan. It also makes great sense of being the salt of the world as salt preserves things from decay. I have often wondered about the whole ET phenomenon and disclosure. If attention becomes permission so to speak then disclosure becomes very dangerous. Russ Disdar, if he is legit, talks about this sudden black awakening where people change, and Dr Jacobs says some of these abductees report that they are given roles to fulfill when an event happens, a role that turns on like a switch when it happens.

I think only one person can own truth, and that is the author of it. But these can't be the author of the truths they reveal. I would say by their own logic if what they reveal are lies then they themselves are owned by the evil one, and if what they reveal is truth then by their own claim they must also be owned by God. God is the ultimate owner of truth.

When I say lies I don't mean untruths, I mean things like thou shall not shurely die. In the ancient past angels revealed all sorts of secrets but their secrets were all this way. It's truth that is crafted and assimilated to work as a lie. Before the flood when the angels revealed all these things to us it bore an allegiance. They were truths that they carried as righteous angels but became like poison when they fell. It's kind of like teaching a man a how to build a gun under the stipulation that he can defend himself against animals but ultimately doing it so that man will make wars with it. In such a way its so hard to tell if a truth is poisonous. Perhaps the only way to know harmful truth from helpful truth is to know who ultimately owns it.

In one exorcism I heard about through Heiser, of a fallen angel seeking forgiveness, they cannot say that Jesus is Lord. It's a complete mind cramp for them. They want to say it but it seems as impossible as water being dry. That might be a way to tell who ultimately owns what they reveal.

Fore
11-05-2017, 05:02 PM
I was thinking this as well. The way that ghosts operate on us appears to be the same way demons do, and if ETs are angels this becomes an even more disturbing scenario. It means that day by day we pass ticking time bombs. With social media and television one event could change half our world from a B to an A overnight. Now I know what it meant in old literature by a sudden realization being like a shadow falling across your face.

You make better connection than I do. The implications are extremely disturbing.

I wonder if this is what whatever/whoever it is has been waiting for. Just waiting for us (humanity) to build a system capable of reaching almost everyone at the same time. Any divulged info that enters the mainstream, can reach from here to New Zealand in less than an hour. "Disclosure" might very well be the New "Trojan Horse".

Since people don't actually understand how (well neither do I) permissions work, we'd all be oblivious and vulnerable to a certain scenario. I wonder if anyone who reads this later will even be capable of wrapping their heads around it to realize what your saying SanSanoy.


Toward the end of days demons and angels are supposed to increase as they become unsealed. Maybe this is part of the plan. It also makes great sense of being the salt of the world as salt preserves things from decay. I have often wondered about the whole ET phenomenon and disclosure. If attention becomes permission so to speak then disclosure becomes very dangerous. Russ Disdar, if he is legit, talks about this sudden black awakening where people change, and Dr Jacobs says some of these abductees report that they are given roles to fulfill when an event happens, a role that turns on like a switch when it happens.

And it makes you wonder too about the passages of the Bible where it is said that Michael the ArcAngel and God armies are said to be restraining them until they receive the command from God to let them do whatever it is they are going to do.

Such a coincidence (perhaps, perhaps not?) that the ET always say they are coming but they themselves don't seem to know when. They are only planning things for when they actually do appear. Like getting their house and toys in order for their eventual meeting with humanity.


I think only one person can own truth, and that is the author of it. But these can't be the author of the truths they reveal. I would say by their own logic if what they reveal are lies then they themselves are owned by the evil one, and if what they reveal is truth then by their own claim they must also be owned by God. God is the ultimate owner of truth. My hats off to you. I hadn't really thought of that. And I totally agree.

I asked the voice who was answering question (it must be an Angel because I couldn't sense where it was standing or what was holding back the malicious entity.
What should I do with the information I have written down? Should I ask the Admins to issue a permanent Ban on me and tell them to erase all traces of my writings. (I was ready then and there to do it and commit to fixing my mistakes)

It curiously stated to do nothing. That it will be something "we" will take care of and won't leave anything. (who is this we?) (why the "certainty" like they were already going to take care of it before I even asked?)

But I pointed out that there are people with personal copies. And I got back a reply that it seemed to already know and it isn't an issue worth talking about.

Never seen an Angel actually do something like you'd expect from an ET. I wonder if Calikid will screw up an upgrade or something. I decided not to pre-empt the topic for fear of offending the admins. But lets see what happens in reality. I find it a bit hard to believe they can do something about the personal copies nor even the copy on this forum. But I am more than willing to be impressed.


When I say lies I don't mean untruths, I mean things like thou shall not shurely die. In the ancient past angels revealed all sorts of secrets but their secrets were all this way. It's truth that is crafted and assimilated to work as a lie. Before the flood when the angels revealed all these things to us it bore an allegiance. They were truths that they carried as righteous angels but became like poison when they fell. It's kind of like teaching a man a how to build a gun under the stipulation that he can defend himself against animals but ultimately doing it so that man will make wars with it. In such a way its so hard to tell if a truth is poisonous. Perhaps the only way to know harmful truth from helpful truth is to know who ultimately owns it. Perhaps this is why the End Times are basically, foundationally, about who does one turn to when they seek the Truth.

I can only imagine when the restrainer is pulled away like in the Bible that everyone will believe. But who or what they believe is the biggest unanswered question.

If a being who claims to be an ET or higher dimensional entity surrounded in a halo of fireworks and a halo of light and all that bedazzles you. And you can hear them in your mind and they know all about you. Is that enough to make them "God"?

I am certain of one thing. At the very least, everyone; even a hardcore atheist will definitely be confused by what they see in those times. I can't imagine what explainations will come out of a fakers mouth when they explain their existence to a wide range of individuals with a wide range of background mentalities. And they will likely have no experience with it and they will no doubt be in complete awe of whatever is said.

What worries me is when this thing they see, becomes a consensus of reality where everyone in the planet is made aware of the claims of this imposter.
What should one do at that time I wonder? Where everyone gets their socks blown off by an intro they can barely grasp. Whats worse is what they will force others to accept it, if they refuse that consensus reality.

It'll be like you refusing to acknowledge water is wet or the sky is blue in their eyes. Even if the imposter is a falsified gimmick or a really poor imitator of the real thing. Yet prophecy in the Bible states that just before the very end, everyone realizes they've been duped. No doubt alot of things happen between the beginning of the end and the end.




In one exorcism I heard about through Heiser, of a fallen angel seeking forgiveness, they cannot say that Jesus is Lord. It's a complete mind cramp for them. They want to say it but it seems as impossible as water being dry. That might be a way to tell who ultimately owns what they reveal.
Good solid points.

I wonder why they can't say it.

Maybe there is some kind of bonding process that we are unfamiliar with?

I know for sure if you tell a demon (or threaten them) with sending them to the abyss they sure know what that means. (even if I really don't know whats there)
Though the Angels have stated basic rules are that you should never acknowledge a demon and never utter/think any communication with them. (period)
Always seek help and never deal with them directly. They have nothing to say to you, and you have nothing to say to them. (almost verbatim statements from my recollection.)

Sansanoy
11-05-2017, 10:53 PM
I wonder if the angel means that it will deal with the consequences of the information contained here. So rather than removing it they may disarm any negative potential of it in the minds of those who read it. So lets say you blow the whistle on the ephbeeye, they might monitor the readers and combat the potential for some readers to do something rash.

I get the feeling that naturalism, metaphysical naturalism in particular is a purposeful system that must take place to prepare the way for the falling away. Actually the real word is apostasy, rather than falling away. In every depiction of the great apostasy it is a a shadow and image of church rather than it's vacancy. I think that the current school of naturalism isn't meant to replace religion, but to be an opposing magnet that pulls people to the middle of the two, priming them for the apostasy. Naturalism has some serious problems right now. Classical Darwinism is in serious crisis, though you have to look past the apologetics and science media to see that crisis. I think it was cern that said the universe shouldn't exist. Pretty much every where you look metaphysical naturalism has reached a brick wall it cannot surpass. They are going to have to appeal to the supernatural soon, either as a cell mind or something greater that isnt God. If you think about it existence has to be supernatural by definition. If all natural law began with the universe than it can't have been the cause of the universe. So the cause must be supernatural, though you could appeal to parent universes it would only add a step to the same paradox. I can't mention it all but the problems are pretty extensive.

All the pieces seem lined up for the world to transition from the old system to the new system. All it needs is a platform for people to transition too. Disclosure could easily accomplish this and fulfil all the roadblocks of science. "Christ consciousness" which some ETs seem to propogate could easily fulfil the "moral" and religious role of the apostasy. There are so many churches that don't even believe in Christ right now. I recently saw a statistic that 63% of Christians do not believe He is the son of God. I've heard first hand in my town, nationally and in europe of church preachers who don't believe in God, or Jesus. There are a ton more right behind them with little difference. There is just so much in place right now, all across the board that something must be happening soon to accomplish this global level of preparation.

From what I got from Delonge on Joe Rogans show I don't see how we can go a decade without at least soft nearly hard disclosure.

pontificator
11-06-2017, 11:13 AM
Congratulations, through this particular endeavor a key facet of the grand deception was unveiled, that you continued until an agent was actually forced to explain in plain English about the situation should be applauded.
The method by which the release of demonic entities occurs, in terms of them being able to manifest ability readily and openly, has effectively been revealed.
Additionally, I am more aware of what "Humans Kept for Unnatural purposes" means. In light of the claim of property via knowledge acquisition and application, it would appear that Humans claimed by the ET later fall into this category; this is a supposition, but information is very light on the ground.

Somewhat puts "intellectual property rights" in a different light, eh? :)

BTW, don't worry about information dissemination, the technology on which all of this is stored won't be around long enough for it to be a problem [SSDs lose data very quickly, and magnetics lose cohesion for data storage after a few decades.] Printed copies are pretty few and far between and I certainly don't have any. I suspect this is why it's considered a non-issue.

montalk
11-10-2017, 07:26 AM
I have been researching my memories of all the various tests I have done and I can't say I have through psychic means.

What I have done is ask them about what they did before (like as in yesterday). And they respond naturally with a certain story. So for them, there is continuity.

Thanks for the info. I asked about scanning them psychically since it would be interesting if it turns out they had your own signature, or maybe no life signature at all.


In other repeat dreams, the characters remember what you and they did and recall what was done months or years prior in the last encounter. How is that possible? I dunno. (a total mystery)

Related one is dreaming up memories themselves. Like you'll "remember" being in a place before, having a certain history there, but upon waking and looking back you realize that you never actually previously dreamt the contents of that history. Yet it felt real. Makes me wonder about our waking memory/history sometimes...


I think anything you allow to touch your mind is also going to leave behind traces of it's experiences from Real Life embedded in your inner workings.

Good point. I think abductions can leave traces like this in the dreamscape even if the events were erased or compartmentalized away from the conscious mind.


When the dead touch your dreamscape it seems like there is alot of pursuit going on and other dead beings constantly accosting you. They also almost 25% of the time always have a dark place within the dream that is like a scary abyss. It's always represented as an out of the way location which is full of absolute terrors.

Spot on, have had phantom and demon dreams occasionally. I can go weeks/months without them, then for several days it's phantom city. Not sure what determines the timing of that. If one follows me back from someplace I've been, or someone I've interacted with (per lines of association) or something dumb I did that earned retraction of spiritual protection or what.

And that thing where they lay down next to you and spoon to presumably feed off your lifeforce. That can manifest in a dream in disguised ways.

I've had the dreams about dark labyrinthine basements and sub-basements, the old creepy doorways or hatches, and overall morbid dreadful vibe. Also had a few about being around dead people coming/exiting through portals. They seemed a bit loopy to put it mildly. Your dead dreams were more intense than mine though.


After I knew of God, the few intrusions that do occur, are now handled with a prayer within the dream. As far as I know, God seems to always be closeby even somehow capable of seeing what is happening inside of the dreamscape. When I have an intrusion by some entity and a prayer brings God around, the entity seems to lock up and freezes (not like a dream freeze) as if something truly strong has it in an invisible grip. They feel...I dunno...terror? Reckoning? I don't know.

Interesting, will keep that in mind.

calikid
11-11-2017, 03:38 PM
fore said:
.... I wonder if Calikid will screw up an upgrade or something. I decided not to pre-empt the topic for fear of offending the admins.....

Well fore here's hoping your Angel friends do NOT use me as an instrument of Forum destruction (as a method to eliminate your historic posts).

Happy the last upgrade went smoothly, even if it did take awhile.

From the outside looking in, I'd say "the cats out of the bag". What is published is done. Erasing it wouldn't make much difference. "The Way Back Machine" knows/remembers all.

whoknows
11-13-2017, 08:46 PM
Form Closer to truth


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nccfwVC6zRo

epo333
12-09-2017, 10:34 PM
Where did everyone go ? ? ?

I know . . . Post it and they will come . . .

whoknows
12-11-2017, 07:25 PM
Mmm, well, ahh, who knows?

I would like to say one thing though.
There has been talk that we are part of a hive mind, I would differ and offer that I think we a more likely part of a Co-Op. Just a thought:biggrin2:

Arkki
12-11-2017, 11:07 PM
Just accidentally clicked on the page 100 when I was going to come here to the very last, and there it was, old gang discussing at full speed about the essence of psi-fields, their manipulation, possible vulnerabilities and what psi-active aliens might eat and why. Odd jello cubes and greys in nutrient baths. Good stuff. :)

pontificator
01-11-2018, 11:09 AM
https://twitter.com/malwrhunterteam/status/916013584488058880
https://twitter.com/malwrhunterteam/status/951388445762519040
Apologies for using external links, but some of you may want to keep an eye on his observations. There will be more individuals coming out of the woodwork in time.
I'm trying to keep a relatively low profile at the moment, as it keeps certain things away. One thing I'll point out, even if you attempt to suppress a psi field, it has this habit of doing "new and exciting" things; like knowing price movements and good bets on the markets, its a nuisance as taking advantage would only bring a world of hurt later.

newyorklily
01-12-2018, 02:46 AM
https://twitter.com/malwrhunterteam/status/916013584488058880
https://twitter.com/malwrhunterteam/status/951388445762519040
Apologies for using external links, but some of you may want to keep an eye on his observations. There will be more individuals coming out of the woodwork in time.
I'm trying to keep a relatively low profile at the moment, as it keeps certain things away. One thing I'll point out, even if you attempt to suppress a psi field, it has this habit of doing "new and exciting" things; like knowing price movements and good bets on the markets, its a nuisance as taking advantage would only bring a world of hurt later.

There have been more large earthquakes today. Tomorrow, January 12, is the 8th anniversary of the devastating earthquake in Haiti. It must be something about this time of year.
If anyone wants to keep track of the quakes, I use the "Earthquake Alert!" Android app.

Pontificator, just to let you know, there are remote viewers who have made money by predicting the rise and fall of stocks and commodities. Some are working on Bitcoin predictions now. Others use RV for sports betting.

Sent from my LGLS775 using Tapatalk

Arkki
05-17-2018, 06:59 PM
As I hanged these posters to wall, it reminded me visually of the old topic of translation tables as parametric structure within the interconnect centres. Nodes of rules / patterns to act as parametered filters for information translation.

1640

pontificator
05-22-2018, 12:52 PM
From Tsutomu Sato's "The Irregular at Magic High School", Vol 1, first published in 2011, published in English in 2016.


"The speed at which psion information bodies were constructed was the user's magical throughput. The scale at which the information bodies could be formulated was the users magical capacity. The intensity at which the magical program overwrote the Eidos was the user's influence. Currently, the three of these together was referred to as one's magical power" p69


"...Converting spells into geometric patterns, carving them into a sensitive alloy, and injecting Psions into it to activate it" p78

This is contained in only the first book, and the above is only a few brief excerpts. This particular work caught my eye when I came across it in Manga form quite a while back, it seemed a bit too on the mark. After actually acquiring the original light novels in English I'm now finding that it is rather accurate.

The system in it is viable, with a heavy slant towards technologically enabled influence systems. When I reached the second area I've quoted I realized that there was a point I'd overlooked in my prior studies. It is quite natural to program the influence, in Fore and I's jargon, to perform an action. What I had not considered was creating a fractal seed, or procedural program, that could unfold into a more complex structure by only feeding influence into it. Such seeds could be implanted in practically anything, chained together to create more complex modes of action, and require the bare minimum of programmed influence to be provided by the user. Upon further reflection, I realized I'd come across a "key", which happens to be publically published. It could be pure luck the author put this together in this manner, but there seem to be far too many coincidences. What is noticeable is that the entire system is very technologically driven, ignoring the base spiritual systems in the user; suggesting that if this is the result of something "nudging" the author, then it is from a prior alluded group that purely used technology to gain its capabilities.

It'll take a fair while to read the series, but there is some scary stuff in there for those of us in the know.

pontificator
08-25-2018, 03:05 PM
Just placing my thoughts here, based on current information to hand, written in past tense based on prior learned information.

During the early portion of the 21st century, growing discontent with increasingly erratic weather patterns resulted in political chaos. The two sides concerned in each case and nation wished for action, one for action by addressing the problem, the other by ensuring their economies would survive at "any" cost. This schizophrenic approach ultimately resulted in the election of demagogues, where they would attempt to address the problems of the populace through piecemeal adjustments which would never be enough to address the underlying problems causing the disintegration of civilization. To the background of an ever increasingly unstable climate, this resulted in an economic war that would culminate in a physical confrontation between the major powers of the era, and their vassal states. At a later point in time, this would become known as "the war of contracts", an artificially created situation that would allow the entrance of third-parties. The result of that time is still undefined.

2020, 2022, 2025. If you're not prepared before 2020, you'll never be prepared.

montalk
08-29-2018, 09:09 AM
At a later point in time, this would become known as "the war of contracts", an artificially created situation that would allow the entrance of third-parties. The result of that time is still undefined.

2020, 2022, 2025. If you're not prepared before 2020, you'll never be prepared.

Do you think the timeline has shifted over the past 5 years? A lot of what was foretold, in terms of end game scenarios, would fit nicely had we continued on an Obama -> Hillary globalist trajectory. Something along the lines of this graphic:

https://i.imgur.com/U48Kt3j.jpg

Remember too that the Clintons were friendly to the UFO research community:


Mrs. Clinton has vowed that barring any threats to national security, she would open up government files on the subject, a shift from President Obama, who typically dismisses the topic as a joke. Her position has elated U.F.O. enthusiasts, who have declared Mrs. Clinton the first “E.T. candidate.”

“Hillary has embraced this issue with an absolutely unprecedented level of interest in American politics,” said Joseph G. Buchman, who has spent decades calling for government transparency about extraterrestrials.

Source: Hillary Clinton Gives U.F.O. Buffs Hope She Will Open the X-Files (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/us/politics/hillary-clinton-aliens.html):


Likewise John Podesta:


John Podesta’s obsession with alien encounters and government disclosure is no secret.[...]

“As this year of 2016 went forward. We all expected that this headline that we’ve been waiting for that is going to break,” she said. “John Podesta was trying to get ready to open up [the fact] that we’re not alone in the universe.”

“All of that crashed when a different person became president of the United States,” Howe said.

Source: John Podesta Stars in “Documentary” Suggesting Clinton Lost Because of Aliens (https://www.insidesources.com/john-podesta-pushes-conspiracy-theories-on-season-premiere-of-ancient-aliens/)


Ah so evil swooped in and stopped the good guys from releasing the truth. I'd buy that if these "good guys" weren't associated with rumors of human trafficking, murder, fraud, and satanic hobbies like spirit cooking. But that's no surprise considering who their alien benefactors are, the ones orchestrating a false disclosure agenda since the 1960s that was in full swing by 2008.

Then there's this:

https://i.imgur.com/HtR2HTB.jpg

(Source: Has E.T. Gone Home? (https://www.statista.com/chart/8452/ufo-sightings-are-at-record-heights/))

Sightings peaked in 2014 and then massively dropped off. Maybe there's an ordinary explanation for that, but to me it looks like the plug being pulled on viral marketing by UFOs. Why? Is 2014-2015 when things shifted, when the events of late 2016 became probable enough that they saw the writing on the wall and cut their losses? If so, then that means their "ground game" has lost its momentum and that suggests their human proxies (political puppets) are in peril. Just throwing it out there as a possibility.

I think Syria and North Korea should have been easy flash points for nuclear WWIII by now, but that hasn't happened. Time will tell if/when/how a War of Contracts will occur. Plus there are factors that politics can't control, like climate and solar/cosmic catastrophes that would change things overnight. All it takes is one big volcano to cause mass famine, political unrest, regime changes, fanaticism, desperation, and nuclear conflagration.

epo333
08-29-2018, 11:35 PM
I think Syria and North Korea should have been easy flash points for nuclear WWIII by now, but that hasn't happened. Time will tell if/when/how a War of Contracts will occur. Plus there are factors that politics can't control, like climate and solar/cosmic catastrophes that would change things overnight. All it takes is one big volcano to cause mass famine, political unrest, regime changes, fanaticism, desperation, and nuclear conflagration.

I agree that any if the events above take place or ramp up more than they are already going on, it could be TSHTF for America.

If the supply chain is interrupted by one or more of these events, the bigger cities will surely be ruled or taken over by the Gangs roving around lawlessly for food, wealth, guns and their own sick fun. That's JMO.

pontificator
08-30-2018, 09:35 AM
Do you think the timeline has shifted over the past 5 years? A lot of what was foretold, in terms of end game scenarios, would fit nicely had we continued on an Obama -> Hillary globalist trajectory. Something along the lines of this graphic:



With the timeline, I suspect that regardless of what happens before the main event, the main event will still happen. The only thing of significance is who will be around afterward, and that has more bearing on the final results; this appears to the greater area of concern for other entities in the leadup to the main event. Keep in mind that Fore mentioned that the NWO scenario would be a big thing, but never actually successful. I suspect, however, that is more likely a later scenario (either post-event, or just before the event).


Note I don't specify the event, I'm aware that something happens, it causes massive devastation, and the period afterward is a time of weakness for Humanity.




Remember too that the Clintons were friendly to the UFO research community:
Likewise John Podesta:
Ah so evil swooped in and stopped the good guys from releasing the truth. I'd buy that if these "good guys" weren't associated with rumors of human trafficking, murder, fraud, and satanic hobbies like spirit cooking. But that's no surprise considering who their alien benefactors are, the ones orchestrating a false disclosure agenda since the 1960s that was in full swing by 2008.



I'm personally very cynical of the US government in general, looking at what they do instead of what they say. In general, it is likely that she was simply saying what she needed to say in order to attract more votes; regardless of who they came from, as long as they were not universally reviled.




Then there's this:
(Source: Has E.T. Gone Home?)


Sightings peaked in 2014 and then massively dropped off. Maybe there's an ordinary explanation for that, but to me it looks like the plug being pulled on viral marketing by UFOs. Why? Is 2014-2015 when things shifted, when the events of late 2016 became probable enough that they saw the writing on the wall and cut their losses? If so, then that means their "ground game" has lost its momentum and that suggests their human proxies (political puppets) are in peril. Just throwing it out there as a possibility.



Equipment movement, relocation, and preparation. The level has now dropped to stable in anticipation of the main event and remains fairly high compared to prior decades. To put it in perspective, a being that has contacted me before contacted me around April of this year. It is a being that has always been concerned about my status as single... it contacted me, with a somewhat amazed/surprised state, to inform me that my girlfriend was going to have a girl... that I don't have a girlfriend and most certainly haven't impregnated anyone is beside the point. The fact is, it wouldn't go out of its way to inform me unless something was going to happen.






I think Syria and North Korea should have been easy flash points for nuclear WWIII by now, but that hasn't happened. Time will tell if/when/how a War of Contracts will occur. Plus there are factors that politics can't control, like climate and solar/cosmic catastrophes that would change things overnight. All it takes is one big volcano to cause mass famine, political unrest, regime changes, fanaticism, desperation, and nuclear conflagration.


Check out the Idlib province Chemical incident when it happens, it's staged, and it is a spark point. If that doesn't happen, then we'll have the meteors to worry about instead, although I'm not 100% sure when that hits, could be a few years, could be well after other environmental disasters have been. I'm no prophet, just aware of things down the pipeline; this is a highly unstable period of time, lots of governments are teetering on the edge.

montalk
08-31-2018, 09:29 AM
@epo333 Scary how fragile our society is. Seems like the minimum effort, lowest cost, short-term profit approach to everything has created a systemic lack of preparedness, backups, redundancies.

People have had it too good for too long: Carington Event (solar) was 1859, Year Without Summer (volcanic) was 1816. Only gov/mil with inside knowledge and the "lunatic" fringe are doing any serious prepping for the inevitable.

I'm a big proponent of people being informed and prepared. The good shouldn't have to die young.


Equipment movement, relocation, and preparation. The level has now dropped to stable in anticipation of the main event and remains fairly high compared to prior decades.

Great point. That was my initial impression of what was behind the drop in activity. Well, looks like no matter how things go in the near future, in the long term it would all funnel through the same wood chipper then.


To put it in perspective, a being that has contacted me before contacted me around April of this year. It is a being that has always been concerned about my status as single... it contacted me, with a somewhat amazed/surprised state, to inform me that my girlfriend was going to have a girl... that I don't have a girlfriend and most certainly haven't impregnated anyone is beside the point. The fact is, it wouldn't go out of its way to inform me unless something was going to happen.

Was this being referring to a current "space girlfriend" (sorry I don't know the proper term) only known during abduction/contacts, or someone you have yet to meet here in your regular life? If the latter then I guess that implies things stay stable enough for at least a year or two if such a thing is going to happen.

pontificator
08-31-2018, 01:25 PM
Was this being referring to a current "space girlfriend" (sorry I don't know the proper term) only known during abduction/contacts, or someone you have yet to meet here in your regular life? If the latter then I guess that implies things stay stable enough for at least a year or two if such a thing is going to happen.

I honestly don't know, each time something turned up it was more interested in working on me as a subject, such as the one I call "the vet". There have been about three other oddities that simply turned up and looked, but didn't seem to do anything I remember. "The vet", from each incident, was concerning itself with checking over my physical status, judging from what it was doing, and working on psychic structures in the skull. That particular being was simply a grey (although it is definitely eye-white in colour, I can't say I've seen one that was actually grey. I have seen one that was proper ebony black though, although the eyes were quite different.)

There was a being, however, that was interested in training "today we are going to do some dangerous things with a spear." I bought the spear kit afterward when I went looking for it, the Zubin Axe Multitool Staff. The implications there would suggest I need it for later on.

For the most part, however, they have a pretty good handle on ensuring I don't recall much. Which may be a good thing, I still remember the time I was hiding under my bed covers when "The Vet" turned up (feel free to laugh, I was pretty pathetic when that went down), it had very long fingers that went down to the wrist, no palm, with joints on them that looked quite similar to segments on a piece of bamboo. However, it was seriously strong, when I went limp it simply picked me up as though I weighed nothing at all and checked my teeth, some hidden opening in the forehead (which was really strange) and various points on my back. Fortunately, I couldn't see anything at the time, but that was very weird. That was the time when it informed me, concerned, "You do not have a companion." (I was actually under the impression it briefly looked, which means it had not checked ahead of time who it was dealing with, which also suggests that was its first visit.) It popped over a couple of times after that, and sorted me out very quickly in terms of preventing decent recall. That period of time was pretty odd, lots of things came around for a look (even a blasted hammerhead one, but because they effectively stop time from a psychological perspective, I only saw it by checking the afterimage of when it put me back; finding yourself sitting in bed after a bright green flash is usually a good indicator something has gone down, plus that imprints on the retina for a short period of time.)

pontificator
01-05-2019, 12:12 PM
I note that a climate shift is definitely underway, so we're likely not far off from the superstorm period. Based on what Fore said, this would be a two-year cycle. So, 2019, 2021, 2023 etc.
I'm basing this on the cyclone hitting Thailand outside of the monsoon season, and this:
"Out-of-season tropical formation is FAR more unusual in the eastern Pacific than in the Atlantic. No tropical system has ever been recorded prior to May in the eastern Pacific (since records began in 1949). @NHC_Pacific (https://twitter.com/NHC_Pacific) giving 50/50 odds of a January first."
From: https://twitter.com/MichaelRLowry/status/1081039699261706240
Overall, these are indicators that a tipping point has been reached, so my expectation is that things will go downhill in the near future. I would recommend that you don't live near the sea, a river, or a body of water if you have the choice to do so.

On the other side of the coin, better filming is offering us a more spectacular view of meteor incidents like this: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109752461/shooting-star-lights-up-sky-over-bay-of-plenty
We are currently in a period of various showers that normally occur, with far more cameras to capture these events. The sky is not falling, yet.

newyorklily
01-05-2019, 01:25 PM
I've noticed that earthquakes, some strong, seems to follow violent weather. Have you seen any confirmation of this?

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epo333
01-05-2019, 07:56 PM
I note that a climate shift is definitely underway, so we're likely not far off from the superstorm period. Based on what Fore said, this would be a two-year cycle. So, 2019, 2021, 2023 etc.
I'm basing this on the cyclone hitting Thailand outside of the monsoon season, and this:
"Out-of-season tropical formation is FAR more unusual in the eastern Pacific than in the Atlantic. No tropical system has ever been recorded prior to May in the eastern Pacific (since records began in 1949). @NHC_Pacific (https://twitter.com/NHC_Pacific) giving 50/50 odds of a January first."
From: https://twitter.com/MichaelRLowry/status/1081039699261706240
Overall, these are indicators that a tipping point has been reached, so my expectation is that things will go downhill in the near future. I would recommend that you don't live near the sea, a river, or a body of water if you have the choice to do so.

On the other side of the coin, better filming is offering us a more spectacular view of meteor incidents like this: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109752461/shooting-star-lights-up-sky-over-bay-of-plenty
We are currently in a period of various showers that normally occur, with far more cameras to capture these events. The sky is not falling, yet.

All I can say is 2018 has been one of the wettest years I seen here in Up-State New York in the 40yrs I have lived here. November had 5 dry days and Oct had about 6 dry days. Crappy spring and summer too actually.

So far, December and into January, we have been above average temps . . . just not normal for sure.

pontificator
01-11-2019, 01:16 PM
I've noticed that earthquakes, some strong, seems to follow violent weather. Have you seen any confirmation of this?

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I cannot confirm from my end, but I can confirm that the weather has been getting much more violent over the past several years. In my case, it is simply the wind, every three or so months a new stronger storm passes through and brings down the weakest trees. It's actually reaching the point that any tree that had something to come down (limbs/branches) has now lost it, and that entire trees now fall over when their time is up. Generalised building damage is also gradually getting worse around the country, based on the stories from people who are discovering that their windows are cracking with the strain. However, given my proximity to the ring of fire, I am expecting a subduction zone induced earthquake to take-out most of the infrastructure to the east and south of me. Should that destabilise the dormant volcano in Lake Taupo, then you'll know it's happened when you hear the explosion in the US and the skies worldwide turn to night for 4 days.

Also, note this is happening: https://news.slashdot.org/story/19/01/10/1954239/ocean-warming-is-accelerating-faster-than-thought-new-research-finds
As a calculation, the warming effect of the CO2 being dumped into the ocean has now reached the point that the heat energy is equivalent to the two nukes detonated in Japan happening every second. Acidification via transformation into carbonic acid (H20 + CO2 = H2CO3) aside; almost everything in the oceans will die if that isn't stopped.

All that heat leads to an interesting effect, which is that the total energy required by the weather system for "interesting effects" is given a leg-up. Storms last longer because they start from a better base, and are supported by it for longer. Storms receive the same amount of energy they normally do, but they start at a higher level. For those of you who look at the hurricanes hitting Florida, you can put a category 10 storm from the past next to a category 10 storm of today, and note the recent one appears 3-4x larger; because it is.

Right now, the situation is this, it's simply going to get very bad. If there is an all-stop and massive effort put into stopping this, then the Human race can stop it from getting worse about 25 years from now. Those 25 years are going to be hell as matters run their course. However, if things keep going the way they are, then things will be bought to a stop because the storms and weather effects will be so bad that the Human race will lose the ability to maintain civilization. Eventually, matters will calm-down, and the survivors left to rebuild from the rubble will have very interesting stories to tell their children. You can expect that whoever rebuilds from that is going to make absolutely sure that they don't repeat the mistake the ancients made; if they have that opportunity. I also expect such a group of people to become extremely religious after that.

pontificator
02-21-2019, 10:49 AM
@Fore, The Advisor's reappearance cannot be that many years out now, 4 or less, right? I am under the impression this will be post-fall, you thinking of looping back again or will you let things pan out this time? (I have a suspicion that you looped back into a different scenario this time around, thus you can run into "yourself" on a different run in the same timestream.)

Garuda
02-21-2019, 01:43 PM
@Fore, The Advisor's reappearance cannot be that many years out now, 4 or less, right? I am under the impression this will be post-fall, you thinking of looping back again or will you let things pan out this time? (I have a suspicion that you looped back into a different scenario this time around, thus you can run into "yourself" on a different run in the same timestream.)

Fore hasn't been here for over a year now.

Has anybody heard from him recently?

CasperParks
02-22-2019, 04:12 AM
Fore hasn't been here for over a year now.

Has anybody heard from him recently?

That is a good question... Hope that Fore is okay...

pontificator
03-20-2019, 10:29 AM
Have had a pretty nasty headache and nausea effect since the Friday Christchurch attacks. Since they've started burying them, the effect has mostly dissipated. I've noticed a pretty similar pattern with people who die violent deaths around here, and it is proximity based; I suspect the death-rate on that day intensified the shockwave. Fortunately, nothing came visiting.

Please note, censorship over NZ way surrounding this event is very hardcore, so I won't say very much more beyond the above observation. It is not legally safe to discuss the actual event.

calikid
03-20-2019, 04:13 PM
Have had a pretty nasty headache and nausea effect since the Friday Christchurch attacks. Since they've started burying them, the effect has mostly dissipated. I've noticed a pretty similar pattern with people who die violent deaths around here, and it is proximity based; I suspect the death-rate on that day intensified the shockwave. Fortunately, nothing came visiting.

Please note, censorship over NZ way surrounding this event is very hardcore, so I won't say very much more beyond the above observation. It is not legally safe to discuss the actual event.

News of the massacre at Christchurch also gave me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.
Anyone who would carry out such a heinous act in a place of worship, gunning down unarmed men women and children, is a coward in my book.
Glad he was captured, hopefully he will be punished to the full extent of the law.
Condolences, I feel your pain.

As for the NZ news blackout. We see the PM on the news (USA News Media) making statements about the event, so I imagine some details are discussed publicly.
Why do you think there is news suppression? Fear of copy-cats?
The online social-media streaming by the perpetrator was certainly a sick perversion.

pontificator
03-21-2019, 08:06 AM
News of the massacre at Christchurch also gave me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.
Anyone who would carry out such a heinous act in a place of worship, gunning down unarmed men women and children, is a coward in my book.
Glad he was captured, hopefully he will be punished to the full extent of the law.
Condolences, I feel your pain.

As for the NZ news blackout. We see the PM on the news (USA News Media) making statements about the event, so I imagine some details are discussed publicly.
Why do you think there is news suppression? Fear of copy-cats?
The online social-media streaming by the perpetrator was certainly a sick perversion.

Although I do not like this particular person's thinking, here is a case in point: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214017
More background: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12214083

So, to summarise, it is difficult to talk about the subject as the mere act of communicating information is banned. Websites discussing important aspects of the matter have been actively banned (hell, it's an offence to like or retweet a thread with non-violent stills of the video.) I am in communication with people working in one of the major telecommunications centres, they are in active hunt and collect evidence mode; you can look up the list of banned websites if you wish.
Our newspapers and TV channels are in trouble, and actively avoid talking about important aspects of the case.
A particularly disturbing aspect, without giving specifics, is that the Government is implementing aspects of the manifesto; the manifesto that cannot be discussed, figuratively torn apart or intellectually analysed in public here. It is a known fact that you never implement a terrorist's demands, and yet here we are; in one example, which is in the public domain, the gun law changes were one of the aims of the attack (in some ways the changes make sense, but in others it is important to take into account that before this attack the laws were made dangerously lax by the current government.) I am aware of aspects of the manifesto, as some people overseas are sensible enough to discuss the contents without quoting, and therefore causing their website to be banned from access here. Hell, theoretically even reading an overseas news story can get someone into trouble here if it contains "objectional" content.

Just a bit of background to NZ, there are serious problems in this country, but discussion of those problems is actively suppressed. As a result, the problems concerned are more serious than they need to be (the suicide rate being one particularly bad issue, it's simply not talked about [as if that will cause it to go down.] Hell, I had a student who threw himself under a car and died, I had to spend quite a bit of the next day talking with his crying friend, who witnessed it, because he trusted me more than the counsellor.) So, with that in mind, they'll not allow people to actually learn what to keep an eye out for. At the moment NZer's are on a witch-hunt for neo-nazis, people who saw the video, people who know the contents of the manifesto and are talking about it; people are getting fired, the employment relations tribunal has stated this is unjustifiable dismissal, but that's a bit late when people find themselves let go without redundancy pay or the ability to call upon their job insurance as a result.

pontificator
03-21-2019, 09:13 AM
For clarification, there are lots of nasty people out there that are being held to account for spreading that video and the manifesto. In many cases, I really don't have a problem with that; they are examples of what should be stopped. However, it is having a chilling effect that is stopping the country from facing the problem head-on. Where there should be a reasonable discussion, so that this type of event can be stopped in the future, this cannot occur in the current climate; or a future one with the material being fully banned.

The effect of scaring the populace into not talking about extremely important events can only result in a negative outcome. I personally suspect that if the Holocaust were occurring today, the current laws would suppress the information to the point that no one would understand what it was really all about; beyond "a man caused his country to commit heinous acts. You will see neither photos nor film of the event, to protect the privacy of the victims, but we can name them and show what they were like when they were alive. He also wrote a book which we cannot name or discuss, and created an ideology that no one shall know or recognise."

calikid
03-21-2019, 03:42 PM
For clarification, there are lots of nasty people out there that are being held to account for spreading that video and the manifesto. In many cases, I really don't have a problem with that; they are examples of what should be stopped. However, it is having a chilling effect that is stopping the country from facing the problem head-on. Where there should be a reasonable discussion, so that this type of event can be stopped in the future, this cannot occur in the current climate; or a future one with the material being fully banned.

The effect of scaring the populace into not talking about extremely important events can only result in a negative outcome. I personally suspect that if the Holocaust were occurring today, the current laws would suppress the information to the point that no one would understand what it was really all about; beyond "a man caused his country to commit heinous acts. You will see neither photos nor film of the event, to protect the privacy of the victims, but we can name them and show what they were like when they were alive. He also wrote a book which we cannot name or discuss, and created an ideology that no one shall know or recognise."

Just another reminder to us U.S. citizens to think globally.
Our right to "Freedom of the Press" would make such censorship difficult to implement.
And the PM's statement that gun ownership is a privileged not a right (to justify gun ban), would face a tough time in US courts.
After all; they are the First and Second amendments to the US Constitution. aka Bill of Rights.
While it is different here, we certainly respect NZ to govern as it sees fit.
From the outside looking in I can only express disappointment that these pronouncements (censorship/gun ban) seems to be dictated by the elite in a knee-jerk reaction, rather than implemented as the will of the people after healthy discussion & debate.
In light of the tragedy, IMHO it would make more sense to complete the grieving process before making decisions about national policy/laws.

montalk
03-22-2019, 01:42 AM
Like past events, seems the authoritarian response was already mapped out, awaiting the right pretext to ram it through. They're showing their hand with this one. Video sites, forums, and chat systems claiming to be bastions for free speech are being forced to censor or lose their existence. It's a sober case study of how other verboten data will be censored in the future on a more global scale, and what people are doing to get around it (torrents, TOR, VPN...).

Think of how this would play out post-Disclosure if there's still an internet by that point. Only a small minority would be willing and able to get around censorship, meaning the vast majority would be a captive audience for authoritarian propaganda, therefore they'd become extremely hostile against the minority. We're already seeing a small preview of that now, e.g. people spotting a red hat and going ballistic.

Well, a prison cell gives you full freedom to roam anywhere you like as long as you stay away from the walls. Europe, Australia, NZ, etc. offer freedom as a privilege not a right, and now we see how that works out. As screwed up as the USA is, it was built on a solid foundation with critical safeguards that may yet save the day.

Sansanoy
03-22-2019, 05:23 PM
@Fore, The Advisor's reappearance cannot be that many years out now, 4 or less, right?

That has been on my mind regularly over the past year. I know the time is close, if not already begun. I have really been worrying about you @Fore. I hope it is officially annulled, I know that it can be. I hope you are living free.

Longeyes
03-24-2019, 05:25 AM
I see the NZ government actions in a different light. The media clamp down as far as I'm aware has been all about suppressing the video the killer live streamed as he murdered over 50 people.

I don't know want the laws are in other countries but in the U.K. - You are not allowed to show people dying on television. That may seem barmy when films and tv shows seem to revolve around violence and death.
For a broadcaster you are not legally allowed to show a real death.

Live streaming has changed all that. Now anyone with a webcam can broadcast what they like. That's only really happened in the last few years. Jihadis showing beheadings - content that is offensive and downright evil, and other footage like the video of the Christchurch killer can be spread without any problem at all.

So kinda of counter to what we might think we have a new type of media, social media which is almost completely unrestricted. Facebook and google make billions but we all know are staffed by a handful of people. There are not enough staff protecting the users. Letting this type of footage go viral normalises it.

The Uk changed the advertising regulations for gambling, about ten years ago, after intense pressure and lobbying from the gambling industry claiming that U.K. firms couldn't compete with online competitors from overseas. Gambling ads are on the Tv all the time now and the result - a complete normalisation of gambling among the young. The figures released about the number of school children gambling in the U.K. is now collosal.

There is definitely a balance to be struck between freedom of speech and some kind of protection of its abuse by negative influences

calikid
03-24-2019, 03:18 PM
I see the NZ government actions in a different light....

(Snip)
There is definitely a balance to be struck between freedom of speech and some kind of protection of its abuse by negative influences.

Balance would be nice.
Unfortunately on such emotionally charged subjects we frequently find ourselves on a pendulum swinging wildly from one extreme to another. Without some perspective gained by time to reflect and input from the public, IMHO we end up with decisions on censorship that fail to address the root problem's cause and have negative far reaching implications that may result in unintended consequences.

Longeyes
03-24-2019, 09:42 PM
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Balance would be nice.
Unfortunately on such emotionally charged subjects we frequently find ourselves on a pendulum swinging wildly from one extreme to another. Without some perspective gained by time to reflect and input from the public, IMHO we end up with decisions on censorship that fail to address the root problem's cause and have negative far reaching implications that may result in unintended consequences.

Agreed knee jerk reactions are often damaging.

WildMage
04-08-2019, 08:30 AM
Just placing my thoughts here, based on current information to hand, written in past tense based on prior learned information.

During the early portion of the 21st century, growing discontent with increasingly erratic weather patterns resulted in political chaos. The two sides concerned in each case and nation wished for action, one for action by addressing the problem, the other by ensuring their economies would survive at "any" cost. This schizophrenic approach ultimately resulted in the election of demagogues, where they would attempt to address the problems of the populace through piecemeal adjustments which would never be enough to address the underlying problems causing the disintegration of civilization. To the background of an ever increasingly unstable climate, this resulted in an economic war that would culminate in a physical confrontation between the major powers of the era, and their vassal states. At a later point in time, this would become known as "the war of contracts", an artificially created situation that would allow the entrance of third-parties. The result of that time is still undefined.

2020, 2022, 2025. If you're not prepared before 2020, you'll never be prepared.

@Fore, The Advisor's reappearance cannot be that many years out now, 4 or less, right? I am under the impression this will be post-fall, you thinking of looping back again or will you let things pan out this time? (I have a suspicion that you looped back into a different scenario this time around, thus you can run into "yourself" on a different run in the same timestream.)

an interesting couple of years...

reading back a few pages a getting caught up...

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the resonance point occurs in 2025, the military has been aware of this since the '90s. Multiple militaries have been preparing for this from the perspective of a world war determining resource allocations over the next 500+ years.

i,e, 2025 becomes a year where humanity collectively decides its directional focus or timeline trajectory.

to explain: we are currently in a rebound or snapback in deviant(multiple) time streams. some call it a Mandela effect, essentially specific continuity points are being non-linearly shifted. What you believe happened 5 years ago can easily be displaced to have occurred 10-15 years ago before re-stabilizing. The streams were disrupted in 2010 to provide humanity the best possible outcome against entities who had this world within their crosshairs. whereas the original drop date was in 2045, this has been pushed back to 2060. it basically bought humanity about 15 years.

In 2010 the lines and continuity points were shifted between 1985 and 2045 some were accelerated while others were decelerated within a bounded universal space matrix. The effect was something akin to a gravitational assist or slingshot, over multiple continuity points, affecting timeline trajectories to expand or smooth out certain events over a great amout of space. ie what should have occurred over a 15 year period now occurs over a 30 year period of time allowing for a wider transition between events. The catch being the past must also expand creating voids or restabilization (displacement) pockets.

a good example of this is the '83 challenger disaster gets pulled forward to '85 while the Columbia disaster gets displaced from 2010 to 2003.
resonance at an individual level will shift the recollection across the displacement window.

2025 is where these displacement windows achieve very tight proximity and unified timelines begin to transition or manifest into a collective trajectory (continuity re-stabilizes)

the price for this adjust has been paid for over the last 5,000 years, through the destruction of many (voluntary) family lines.

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for the record.
When it comes to permission-based claims over knowledge

Knowledge is not owned by anything or entity it is acquired via a consensus of ideologies, determining how a set of information should and/or should not be interpreted.

Given the same set of information, your trajectory or focus on how it should be interpreted is where the claim aspect is being determined. There is no direct claim over the set of information, however, how it is interpreted provides a consensus into the manifestation of an emerging reality.

For those like Fore, he can teach you to build a house. The set of information he imparts to accomplish this task is inherently benign in of itself. Even the act of or utilization of this knowledge is benign. It is like trying to claim the land you walk on or use belongs to you. If you provide the interprtation of information (knowledge) of your own free will then the outcome does not belong to you i.e. you cannot lay claim to houses being built using this knowledge. You might upfront set a contract for specific payment prior to knowledge being imparted i.e. tuition, appenticeship. You could limit how it is propagated thru crertin promises of non-disclosure prior to the knowledge being imparted.

You cannot impose a limitation on another if you immerse them in an environment wherein they will learn certain tradecraft regardless of any predefined contracts. It is like expecting a carpenters son to not learn how to work with wood when their entire upbringing is comprised of helping their father in the woodshop. Trying to swear him to secrecy after the fact is not enforceable. How he choose to use this knowledge however is a personal responsibility. He can freely open a school teaching carpentry skills. How his students choose to use this knowledge is not his responsibility but once more passes on to the individual who sought to acquire this knowledge. As with any rule there is an exception wherein knowledge is passed on with attached interprative perceptions. For example passing on knowledge which would knowingly degrade a final product for personal gain. This can be taught as something which should not be done, at which point responsibility passes on to the student if they choose to uses it to build inferior products.

another example:
A martial arts teacher can teach a student to break bones, for self-defense purposes, he is not responsible if his student decides to use this acquired knowledge to bully others or for other nefarious purposes. However, he is responsible if he teaches these skills with the intent they are to be used to harm specific or pre-defined individuals. Note: an army could be trained due to no specified or predefined individuals are being targeted i.e. national/tribal self defense. However if you specify the training is to be used against some pre-defined enemy then you hold a responsibility for the harm caused by the teachings. An ongoing national self-defense situation does not apply to training against pre-defined enemies.

As a student if you seek knowledge simply to expand what you know, then it remains benign, If however, you are acquiring knowledge with the intent to harm others then you hold the responsibility should you ever use this knowledge to accomplish such an intent. With a caveat of this knowledge being sought, acquired, and used to stop entities currently inflicting harm upon you or those you love falls under self-defense rules.


when it comes to the question of why the focus is similar to a claim, it basically comes back to the story of the wolf you pay the most attention to emerges as the victor of the internal battle we face between what we feel is right or wrong. --- it is sort of like voting for what you want your reality to be like...

i.e. focus on what you believe to be the right thing to do!!!



*WM*

Garuda
04-12-2019, 05:13 AM
On a side note: I had reached out to Fore to see whether he's all right. He says he's fine and not to worry.

WildMage
04-12-2019, 05:43 AM
On a side note: I had reached out to Fore to see whether he's all right. He says he's fine and not to worry.

Nice to hear he is alright!!!

dreamoftheiris
06-06-2019, 03:22 AM
Hmm, sounds like the Kingdom of Heaven. That leads to the following line of reasoning:

If these beings are bathed in a very pure (?) and "warm" type of influence there, that says something about what constitutes the Kingdom of Heaven. And if you noticed certain people also have this kind of warmth, not to the same degree of course, then that could explain what Jesus meant by the Kingdom of Heaven being both a state of being and realm of existence. It refers both to the divine realm, and the inner state of being toward which we ought to strive.

Maybe this warmth is a key factor in getting to work with the Holy Spirit, and the faith and spiritual integrity is the means of achieving it.

And if this "warmth" is really just a pattern or quality of influence, then it all comes down to repatterning our own influence to be more in tune with that of the angels and their realm. And this can be done without needing to run psi ball exercises and such. Somehow faith, integrity, love, devotion, and other spiritual qualities might be enough. I wonder what these qualities do exactly to the interconnect system if anything, like would they re-pattern the influence flowing from the chest interconnect centers or what...


Interesting question. This and other discussions of the UT reminded me of an experience I had over a decade ago that I've been reluctant to post it due to a mixture of apathy and a feeling like this won't be of use to anyone but figured I might as well share it and see if anyone can take anything away from it. I figured this is a thread to share weird experiences of a psychic nature so this probably fits. I'm also posting this because this thread has the only information out there that adequately explains what occurred without abstract and airy language.


From what I understand, the experience was breaking off from my middle self and temporarily merging fully with my higher self +. Effectively becoming a channel for Spirit (Logos) or as the Law of One material describes - accessing intelligent infinity.

This is what I remember of the experience.


1. There was a pulling away and a distinct break from my normal mode of consciousness (middle self / ego) and this higher state. I felt myself being "pulled" into this higher state. Once there, it was a profound experience that words cannot fully describe. I describe it poorly as being immersed in an ocean of pure warmth, love and joy. Everything around me got noticeably clearer and brighter.

2. My face had a serene calm and smile - similar to the images of the Buddha. This was involuntary. It just happened. My eyes were extremely bright and deeper - like a new life force was shining through. Something incredibly brilliant.

3. My "mind" was talking about the experience as if it were a third person. I could observe it and control it with ease however "I" was not thinking. Where I was, it was not possible to have a thought. That was merely my lower mind. It was like I was behind my mind, watching it. It was funny because my thoughts were saying "wow what an experience, this must be what the Buddha felt, etc" but I was merely observing my middle self think these thoughts.

4. I felt a distinct energy or "influence" emanating from myself. Images of holy figures come to mind with the glow around their heads. This was felt by me and had the quality of a sun almost. Very pure. This influence quickly filled whatever room I was in and had a similar quality to how Fore described the holy spirit. It felt like light almost without heat. Water like? almost liquid quality... aerogel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel) comes to mind for some reason.

5. Another quality of this state was that there was no desire present. It's difficult to describe, but it was as if everything was fulfilled. I felt no "want" for anything.

6. When I went to sleep, I felt the presence of two entities. For whatever reason, I felt like they were from the future. I didn't necessarily feel malevolence from them but I'm not sure what purpose they would have been there for.

When I woke up I was in my normal state of consciousness however that experience changed me forever. I'll never reach anything that comes close to that in this lifetime again. It was beyond the most perfect, wonderful and joyous experience and I am so grateful that I got to experience it even for a brief moment.


Come to think of it, not long after that I discovered the OMF forums and started to slowly piece together just what the hell happened. Before my understanding was from more of a mystical perspective. After reading this thread, Montalk's articles (http://montalk.net/metaphys) and the Law of One (https://www.lawofone.info/)material I've come to understand that I was temporarily funneling Spirit out into the world.

Trying to remember this experience has made me realize, sadly, how far removed I am from that version of myself. I've really let myself go in that arena. For reasons similar to what other members have said. To be "normal" whatever that means.

Anyway I didn't post this for an ego boost or anything. Just something interesting to share with the group and maybe connect something together. I like the idea that humans (most anyway) have a link to Spirit and that maybe that's what the fight about this place is all about.

pontificator
07-02-2019, 01:31 PM
Putting this up here while I remember it: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/11/americas/thermokarst-arctic-climate-change-intl-hnk/index.html

"Researchers found maximum thaw depths had already exceeded what they had expected to occur by 2090, according to the report (https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2019GL082187#accessDenialLayout) published in Geophysical Research Letters journal."

Runaway system in effect. Now, as time goes on you can expect very "interesting" things to happen, the main one being that certain feedback loops will dump more gasses into the atmosphere which will create ideal conditions for "epic" weather effects. By pre-heating the atmosphere, normal events have less of a threshold to cross when transitioning into super-storms. In turn, those storms last longer due to the higher than normal ambient temperatures.

I have noticed an uptick in monitoring my way, along with active communication; I note that these now consist of non-verbal, non-audio understanding. Oddly, the grammer is effectively the same as what I would normally expect of a conversation, except it's skipping many bits. Another thing I've noted is that comms only happen when it concerns factual topics, usually in the form of clarifying something I was about to write another way. I am not sure of the entity type concerned, however the monitoring is by another entity I recognise from the past; so, at least two distinct types, one definitely physical like a grey [who seems extremely interested in what I find attractive in women {or might be interested in the women, you never know}], and the other may be female (I may have come across this one once before, but I am not sure. It seems to be more likely a spirit of some kind, and is concerning itself with facts and clarification.)

I am under the impression that I'm being checked for categorisation, with a view to placement of some kind; that's probably very bad...

pontificator
07-17-2019, 01:18 PM
So, observing a general pattern in what I mentioned previously, if it is something out the ordinary in terms of my thinking, then something will have a look. If it concerns me thinking about my future, in terms of negative outcomes, then what appears to be a Grey influence pattern will check on matters; I notice they "actively" make adjustments, which has the effect of causing a dismissal of that line of thought or reasoning. However, I can observe that the change has occurred, and take note, so it doesn't quite work anymore from my personal perspective; I can work in opposition to the change if needed, which is useful, but sometimes not sensible.

In terms of raw influence, I note that not using it has not really had too much of an effect, the field is still there and developing over time. I ran a few brief experiments to see if some things were possible now, and confirmed that it is possible to make an overlay influence pattern, place it on a person, and directly program their thoughts (this was one of those "does it work this way?" moments, without expecting it to work.) Doing that got me in rather a lot of trouble, however I believe the net benefit is that I confirmed that the ability can develop on its own, and be immediately usable on request (this is without active training, only using a bit of supposition and educated guesses from previously cited material here and on the old Openminds forum.) It is a variant of a process where I found that one's own influence pattern could be made to mirror another persons, to a limited extent, thus allowing you to experience being in their skin; not recommended, it is simply weird, and more than a little disturbing as your own body seems to be "out of place" due to size and positional differences.

So, I have a suspicion that non-conscious influence training may be occurring in the background when I'm asleep, which leads back to why there is another uptick in interest recently. If they think I'm not noticing, then they probably rapidly reassessed that when I looked into matters with practical testing; which is quite contrary to what I would normally do (in keeping it quiet), but I needed to confirm how far things had progressed. This not something you'd want people running around with, so I'll try and keep it buried under a proverbial rock. However, it is also important to check periodically what the "lie of the land" is, otherwise mistakes can occur; plus, you really need to know what is in the toolkit.

pontificator
08-03-2019, 02:51 PM
The atmospheric feedback loop has now extended to the following effects:
The melting of the permafrost has resulted in large areas of decaying matter [producing methane], and the exposure of previously frozen areas to dry conditions.
Wildfires are now sweeping through areas that have not burned for exceedingly long periods of time, or would normally burn later in the year, creating a northern hemisphere wave of soot which is being deposited in the arctic; an example https://www.sciencenews.org/article/arctic-burning-greenland-melting-thanks-record-heat
The current rate of CO2 production from this is almost double that of the previous record in 2004; please note that the 2004 burn is the total for that year, the current figures for this year are for a season which has started 2 months early and has yet to finish. Even ignoring the CO2 figures, the melt rate of the Greenland ice sheet is excessive and expected to get much worse.
Should this trend continue, and it likely will, then we may very well see an ice-free arctic in the near future; considering that the permafrost has melted ~75 years early, that might be pretty soon.

In theory, this is a peak in the 2 year cycle mentioned by Fore. Given this, I expect that atmospheric conditions will worsen in the near term, calming slightly in 2020, with noticeably extreme conditions in 2021; I may have this a year too early though, and be jumping the gun, but it does look pretty bad right now. Please be aware that my working theory is that undeniable destruction caused by atmospheric effects will remove some cities and states by 2022, and severely damage others.

In terms of posting here, I expect rising sea levels will cut most fibre comms within 7 years. Satellite links should remain operational for longer. The Chinese claim to the South China sea will resolve itself, as their artificial islands will be underwater.

Exciting times... (I was given a heads up about something happening on August 9, my time, but I'll believe that when I see it; possible meteor strike, or other natural disaster. I suspect it'll turn out to be something completely different though, and I'm treating it with the grain of salt it deserves [I wouldn't lend any credence to this, I have no track-record regarding the entity which mentioned it, but I do need to note it down.])

epo333
08-03-2019, 06:57 PM
The atmospheric feedback loop has now extended to the following effects:
The melting of the permafrost has resulted in large areas of decaying matter [producing methane], and the exposure of previously frozen areas to dry conditions.
Wildfires are now sweeping through areas that have not burned for exceedingly long periods of time, or would normally burn later in the year, creating a northern hemisphere wave of soot which is being deposited in the arctic; an example https://www.sciencenews.org/article/arctic-burning-greenland-melting-thanks-record-heat
The current rate of CO2 production from this is almost double that of the previous record in 2004; please note that the
2004 burn is the total for that year, the current figures for this year are for a season which has started 2 months early and has yet to finish. Even ignoring the CO2 figures, the melt rate of the Greenland ice sheet is excessive and expected to get much worse.
Should this trend continue, and it likely will, then we may very well see an ice-free arctic in the near future; considering that the permafrost has melted ~75 years early, that might be pretty soon.

In theory, this is a peak in the 2 year cycle mentioned by Fore. Given this, I expect that atmospheric conditions will worsen in the near term, calming slightly in 2020, with noticeably extreme conditions in 2021; I may have this a year too early though, and be jumping the gun, but it does look pretty bad right now. Please be aware that my working theory is that undeniable destruction caused by atmospheric effects will remove some cities and states by 2022, and severely damage others.

In terms of posting here, I expect rising sea levels will cut most fibre comms within 7 years. Satellite links should remain operational for longer. The Chinese claim to the South China sea will resolve itself, as their artificial islands will be underwater.

Exciting times... (I was given a heads up about something happening on August 9, my time, but I'll believe that when I see it; possible meteor strike, or other natural disaster. I suspect it'll turn out to be something completely different though, and I'm treating it with the grain of salt it deserves [I wouldn't lend any credence to this, I have no track-record regarding the entity which mentioned it, but I do need to note it down.])

Thanks for posting . . . . Many are still viewing.

pontificator
08-11-2019, 08:38 AM
@Epo333, it's awfully quiet though, there used to be a lot more Q&A going on.

Now, lets cover something about dates and people making predictions. So, I mentioned August 9th, without giving too much of an indicator as to exactly what might happen. From my point of view I didn't believe anything would happen, even though something indicated it would. However, lets use 1 step further thinking; it is easy to think on the surface, but one step forward and we might see something else entirely.

How many of you who read that post changed what you were going to be doing on August the 9th? What if the point of the exercise by the entity was not to deliver a warning, but was to instead create an untraceable change in peoples decision making?
What if most portents of doom delivered by an entity are not to actually convey a true warning, but are instead designed to be the nudge which causes a desirable set of outcomes to occur?
What type of intelligence is operating there? It's certainly not Human as we know it, but is instead something that is aware of a multitude of events, and what is required to guide them with the least amount of effort. In turn, this means that lots of uneventful announcements may have indeed had an effect, just not the one the recipients expected.

Keep that in mind in the future, something might not seem to make sense to you, but it can certainly make sense to them.

newyorklily
08-11-2019, 03:53 PM
@Epo333, it's awfully quiet though, there used to be a lot more Q&A going on.

Now, lets cover something about dates and people making predictions. So, I mentioned August 9th, without giving too much of an indicator as to exactly what might happen. From my point of view I didn't believe anything would happen, even though something indicated it would. However, lets use 1 step further thinking; it is easy to think on the surface, but one step forward and we might see something else entirely.

How many of you who read that post changed what you were going to be doing on August the 9th? What if the point of the exercise by the entity was not to deliver a warning, but was to instead create an untraceable change in peoples decision making?
What if most portents of doom delivered by an entity are not to actually convey a true warning, but are instead designed to be the nudge which causes a desirable set of outcomes to occur?
What type of intelligence is operating there? It's certainly not Human as we know it, but is instead something that is aware of a multitude of events, and what is required to guide them with the least amount of effort. In turn, this means that lots of uneventful announcements may have indeed had an effect, just not the one the recipients expected.

Keep that in mind in the future, something might not seem to make sense to you, but it can certainly make sense to them.

Somewhere between the night of August 9 and the morning of August 10 (NYC time) internationally known billionaire and convicted pedophile, Jeffery Epstein, died of apparent suicide in a federal prison located in New York City. There will be a lot of fallout from this. All of Epstein's documents are now in the hands of the FBI. This is a major event.

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epo333
08-11-2019, 11:26 PM
@Epo333, it's awfully quiet though, there used to be a lot more Q&A going on.

Now, lets cover something about dates and people making predictions. So, I mentioned August 9th, without giving too much of an indicator as to exactly what might happen. From my point of view I didn't believe anything would happen, even though something indicated it would. However, lets use 1 step further thinking; it is easy to think on the surface, but one step forward and we might see something else entirely.

How many of you who read that post changed what you were going to be doing on August the 9th? What if the point of the exercise by the entity was not to deliver a warning, but was to instead create an untraceable change in peoples decision making?
What if most portents of doom delivered by an entity are not to actually convey a true warning, but are instead designed to be the nudge which causes a desirable set of outcomes to occur?
What type of intelligence is operating there? It's certainly not Human as we know it, but is instead something that is aware of a multitude of events, and what is required to guide them with the least amount of effort. In turn, this means that lots of uneventful announcements may have indeed had an effect, just not the one the recipients expected.

Keep that in mind in the future, something might not seem to make sense to you, but it can certainly make sense to them.

I am in agreement with newyorklily, the Epstein event is monumental in that people of power may be the "falling stars" in your preminition.

I had seen predictions of that months ago . . .

OTOH, this could be unrelated.

One thing for is for sure, Earth changes are in full swing and I suspect still amping up . ..be prepared!!!

M-Albion-3D
08-12-2019, 09:04 PM
Somewhere between the night of August 9 and the morning of August 10 (NYC time) internationally known billionaire and convicted pedophile, Jeffery Epstein, died of an apparent suicide in a federal prison located in New York City. There will be a lot of fallout from this. All of Epstein's documents are now in the hands of the FBI. This is a major event.

Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk


My my what an upset!

Here's a convicted pedo (and they don't last long in prison) with an apparent suicide a couple of weeks back, in a confined single cell in the most secure prison in NY....on suicide watch (which means the guards don't take their eyes off them) and BINGO! off the dead body is carted on a gurney not to a NY hospital....but to a fire station.

And the call of the day is; "He's not really dead"! .....or so they say?

Well let's take a look at the last image snapped shotted as he went through into the elevator, supposedly dead, compared with a similar profile of Epstein a couple of years back.


While light can play a trick on surfaces, the actual "form" of the ear will not change over many years. Take a look at three areasof the ear named the "ANTITRAGUS" marked letter A the "INTERGRAGICAL NOTCH" marked B and the "ANTERIOR NOTCH" marked C.

Also, take a look at the tip of his nose, see a difference?

IMO, these are not the same ears - not the same person.I think something behind the scenes is about to pop.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/jqmaBB.jpg


Now, if this is a dunny head of Epstein being carried to God knows where wouldn't all those other suspect happenings all fall nicely into place.

Oh boy, the thot plickens.

pontificator
08-13-2019, 02:03 PM
*sigh* Why do people never take into account that human flesh distorts when pushed from a given direction... Take note, the ear is being pushed inwards by the pressure of the neck brace (the earlobe has been lifted and compressed in the direction of the Antitragus, producing an over-emphasised crease), seen in the picture via part of the white cuff. A portion of the cheek is also being lifted and pushed in the direction of the Tragus, producing a slight overlap before it and also pushing the tragus further down into the ear, making it look longer.

I also personally suspect dead Human flesh has slightly different properties to living Human flesh... perhaps due to the issue of blood pooling in the direction of gravity?

As everything is, it's either a murder or plain incompetency. Based on the dysfunctional nature of the facility concerned, I'd lean towards the latter. As it is, he's not the one people should be concerned about, there are bigger fish to fry in terms of his contacts and accomplices.

M-Albion-3D
08-13-2019, 08:07 PM
*sigh* Why do people never take into account that human flesh distorts when pushed from a given direction... Take note, the ear is being pushed inwards by the pressure of the neck brace (the earlobe has been lifted and compressed in the direction of the Antitragus, producing an over-emphasised crease), seen in the picture via part of the white cuff. A portion of the cheek is also being lifted and pushed in the direction of the Tragus, producing a slight overlap before it and also pushing the tragus further down into the ear, making it look longer.

I also personally suspect dead Human flesh has slightly different properties to living Human flesh... perhaps due to the issue of blood pooling in the direction of gravity?

As everything is, it's either a murder or plain incompetency. Based on the dysfunctional nature of the facility concerned, I'd lean towards the latter. As it is, he's not the one people should be concerned about, there are bigger fish to fry in terms of his contacts and accomplices.


Well, some good points for evaluation.



I'm still siding on the edge of two different ears myself, but you're right, bigger fish to fry in the pond.

Nice vid on Molyneaux's take...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT6UCTU9eQU

pontificator
10-02-2019, 12:15 PM
Weather is increasingly erratic down my way. It's most noticeable how many times the emergency hazards system provided by the MET has been set off, mainly with rain and wind warnings. This can be at a rate of 2 to 3 per week, whereas last year I was lucky if I saw 2 for the entire year.

The rate of damage is increasing, so for each hazard there is usually a lost roof or small tornado tearing up someones house a bit. This is currently spring, which seems like some form of osculating winter/autumn at the moment.

In terms of the economy, the papers are talking seriously about a negative interest rate. This is due, in part, to a loss of various major export markets for primitive items such as raw logs; the Chinese market started getting them from over the border (Russia) at a cheaper price. Furthermore, I suspect there is a wave of silent punishment coming from over there due to NZ trying to keep in the USA's sphere of influence; its perhaps too subtle, I suspect a reasonable amount of the NZ politicians can't work out why its happening.

This is all quite normal in the context of a world lurching towards disaster, where the survivors will need to pick up the pieces, and other beings will take advantage of Humanity's moment of weakness. Consider, though, that we might have all been directed to the point via subtle manipulation.

Note: Third-party interference is increasing over my way, I have noticed old areas of my body which they checked at various times have exhibited recent signs of infection or bleeding, it heals rapidly though. The shoulder issue, caused a long time ago after one incident, reappeared for two days. I suspect that various things have cycled on and cleaned themselves up; yes, typing this is hurting, it really gets on their wick as far as I can tell. In terms of the influence field, it is solid and steady, control points seem to be maintaining position. They don't move in and out painfully anymore, and the crushing sensation no-longer hits like a vice; it's still there, but not nearly as bad as it used to be. Shoulder blades have an alternating issue though, where it feels like two trees have put roots into them every so often.

montalk
10-14-2019, 09:45 AM
This was just trending #1/2/3 on YouTube. Red Cross tapped creator Kurzgesagt to produce what must have been a costly video to advocate for nuclear disarmament:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iPH-br_eJQ

Things to note:

- This has zero chance of actually reducing worldwide nukes, and I suspect the creators know it
- If the War of Contracts is a pretext for alien intervention, this reminded me of an example of psychological priming (influencing) for something like that
- Call to action is to turn ire against world leaders (i.e. Trump) for either potentially launching or provoking the launching of such weapons
- Red Cross isn't what it appears to be, clear to anyone who has researched their deep state connections
- Depicts Seattle in particular getting hit, without saying it

Just FYI.

Longeyes
11-04-2019, 09:31 AM
Anyone seen this yet?

https://www.witnessofanotherworld.com/

Beautifully made film about Juan Pérez, and his close encounter of the third kind and subsequent spiritual awakening.


https://youtu.be/nAvH8I7o8Ek

Garuda
11-04-2019, 04:43 PM
Anyone seen this yet?

https://www.witnessofanotherworld.com/

Beautifully made film about Juan Pérez, and his close encounter of the third kind and subsequent spiritual awakening.


https://youtu.be/nAvH8I7o8Ek

I had seen the trailer but didn't realize that the movie had been released by now.

pontificator
11-17-2019, 09:42 AM
I had seen the trailer but didn't realize that the movie had been released by now.

Ooo, this sets off my spidey senses, he's genuine. I'll have to check this out .

Was originally popping on to point out that I was visited by a mechanism recently, last time that happened it was something scoping me out before visiting. Not exactly sure who this lot is.

Longeyes
11-17-2019, 12:32 PM
It was great, he was getting premonitions in dreams and didn't know how to handle it. He'd know who was coming to visit the next day... etc

calikid
12-11-2019, 06:30 AM
Sorry to go OT here folks.
@Pontificator.
I don't usually associate massive Volcanic eruptions resulting in loss of life with New Zeland.
How are things "down under" with you after the event? Family and friends safe?

pontificator
12-23-2019, 08:10 AM
@Calikid, It hit no-one I knew, but it has been pretty horrendous for everyone caught up in the event. Today the death toll stands at 17, with no-way that will stay at that level. To be honest, in many cases I suspect the kindest option would be to allow some of them to pass away, as what they will confront when they awaken will be no life at all; beyond a lifetime of pain and agony.

I was actually quickly coming back here with a thought:
Individuals emitting influence distort the reality of their local environment, however this also causes others around them to emit influence themselves. My thought is this, what if the emission by others is a natural inbuilt phenomenon designed to revert the surrounding reality back to baseline "normal"? The point being, a room of believers in something will have a different baseline normal from another room containing people who don't believe in something. Therefore, reality will be whatever the largest group believes it is, and therefore local physics and phenomena will match accordingly.

If, and this is a big if, someone with enough clout said something was true, and everyone believed them, it might be possible an adjustment to reality would occur. In turn, when no-one is around, local distortions are possible with fewer people, and this can be utilised by entities seeking a "way in" to our reality or existence.

calikid
12-23-2019, 04:00 PM
@Calikid, It hit no-one I knew, but it has been pretty horrendous for everyone caught up in the event. Today the death toll stands at 17, with no-way that will stay at that level. To be honest, in many cases I suspect the kindest option would be to allow some of them to pass away, as what they will confront when they awaken will be no life at all; beyond a lifetime of pain and agony.

I was actually quickly coming back here with a thought:
Individuals emitting influence distort the reality of their local environment, however this also causes others around them to emit influence themselves. My thought is this, what if the emission by others is a natural inbuilt phenomenon designed to revert the surrounding reality back to baseline "normal"? The point being, a room of believers in something will have a different baseline normal from another room containing people who don't believe in something. Therefore, reality will be whatever the largest group believes it is, and therefore local physics and phenomena will match accordingly.

If, and this is a big if, someone with enough clout said something was true, and everyone believed them, it might be possible an adjustment to reality would occur. In turn, when no-one is around, local distortions are possible with fewer people, and this can be utilised by entities seeking a "way in" to our reality or existence.

Thanks for the update P.
Glad that you and yours are safe.
I hear you about the quality of life issue. News here in California reported something like 1,000+ sq/inches of "grafting skin" had been ordered from the USA for shipment to NZ.
Rings of a lot of pain, suffering, and long term rehabilitation.
Our thoughts are with the victims as they face the long road to recovery, and the families of those who did not survive.

montalk
12-26-2019, 10:17 AM
@Calikid, It hit no-one I knew, but it has been pretty horrendous for everyone caught up in the event. Today the death toll stands at 17, with no-way that will stay at that level. To be honest, in many cases I suspect the kindest option would be to allow some of them to pass away, as what they will confront when they awaken will be no life at all; beyond a lifetime of pain and agony.

I was actually quickly coming back here with a thought:
Individuals emitting influence distort the reality of their local environment, however this also causes others around them to emit influence themselves. My thought is this, what if the emission by others is a natural inbuilt phenomenon designed to revert the surrounding reality back to baseline "normal"? The point being, a room of believers in something will have a different baseline normal from another room containing people who don't believe in something. Therefore, reality will be whatever the largest group believes it is, and therefore local physics and phenomena will match accordingly.

If, and this is a big if, someone with enough clout said something was true, and everyone believed them, it might be possible an adjustment to reality would occur. In turn, when no-one is around, local distortions are possible with fewer people, and this can be utilised by entities seeking a "way in" to our reality or existence.

Makes sense. This implies that influence isn't just something that influences reality, but may literally be projecting it. Like HTML code 'projecting' what you see in your browser. Change the code, change the reality. So the influence copy of a chair would technically be the original, and the chair is just a subset or projection of it.

Great point though about people being entrained into emitting shared influence patterns that induce a shared baseline reality. Like spoon bending and levitation parties, where attempting it in groups makes it more likely to happen.

Now, past discussions here centered around influence having biological, chemical, telekinetic, and physical effects. That's direct in-your-face "shape matter and energy" type stuff... But I think there must also be a subtler or more refined aspect to influence, having something to do with our consciousness / higher mind, that is capable of altering probability or shaping reality at large. For example, the phenomenon of synchronicities. When a synchronicity happens, it can't really be explained via telekinesis or alteration of electric, magnetic, or chemical properties.

In a synchronicity, there's some part of our consciousness, likely the higher mind, that is able to somehow alter probability or edit reality to make that improbable event come about. Maybe by sending influence patterns backward in time or across parallel timelines. Which isn't farfetched considering even in physics, quantum physics especially, there can be interactions between past, present, and probable futures in terms of waves and energy feedback loops feeding between them.

So when people get together and entrain each other, I bet it's not just local physics that becomes normalized among them (like spoons becoming pliable) but the probabilistic quality or theme of their reality might also become shared. Edit: come to think of it, they don't even need to come together physically for that. They can share a common 'mind space' say as being part of the same online community for example. Then it would be the non-local aspect of influence doing it, per the lines of association or when you get activated remotely. And if non-local in space, then maybe also non-local in time.

epo333
12-28-2019, 05:49 PM
Makes sense. This implies that influence isn't just something that influences reality, but may literally be projecting it. Like HTML code 'projecting' what you see in your browser. Change the code, change the reality. So the influence copy of a chair would technically be the original, and the chair is just a subset or projection of it.

Great point though about people being entrained into emitting shared influence patterns that induce a shared baseline reality. Like spoon bending and levitation parties, where attempting it in groups makes it more likely to happen.

Now, past discussions here centered around influence having biological, chemical, telekinetic, and physical effects. That's direct in-your-face "shape matter and energy" type stuff... But I think there must also be a subtler or more refined aspect to influence, having something to do with our consciousness / higher mind, that is capable of altering probability or shaping reality at large. For example, the phenomenon of synchronicities. When a synchronicity happens, it can't really be explained via telekinesis or alteration of electric, magnetic, or chemical properties.

In a synchronicity, there's some part of our consciousness, likely the higher mind, that is able to somehow alter probability or edit reality to make that improbable event come about. Maybe by sending influence patterns backward in time or across parallel timelines. Which isn't farfetched considering even in physics, quantum physics especially, there can be interactions between past, present, and probable futures in terms of waves and energy feedback loops feeding between them.

So when people get together and entrain each other, I bet it's not just local physics that becomes normalized among them (like spoons becoming pliable) but the probabilistic quality or theme of their reality might also become shared. Edit: come to think of it, they don't even need to come together physically for that. They can share a common 'mind space' say as being part of the same online community for example. Then it would be the non-local aspect of influence doing it, per the lines of association or when you get activated remotely. And if non-local in space, then maybe also non-local in time.

I totally agree with the idea of synchronicity having a temporal factor. Seems influence could be effective
in three, four, or more dimensions. JMO!

pontificator
12-31-2019, 12:07 PM
And it's now 2020, should be a very exciting leadup over the year to key events; stock up on non-perishables with very long shelf lives (which are always a good idea to have anyway.)

pontificator
01-05-2020, 03:02 AM
It is currently 3pm, and the sky is sepia yellow/orange. I think that is a good indicator that the fires in OZ have gotten considerably worse.
Meanwhile, the situation between The States and Iran continues to spiral towards war; technically, one state killing a government member of another state through assassination is normally an act of war in itself.
In order to ensure the flames are burning hotter, Trump has indicated that The States will bomb 52 sites (Military and historical) should there be any reaction; the bombing of historical sites is a war-crime under international law.
The Iranians have indicated they have 32 targets in range, which would appear to be military and US state properties; because they are being sensible, and have a lack of weapons to waste.
The Y2K20 bug has also started striking some computer systems, which think the current date is 1920, due to a poor fix of the Y2K bug.

I am noting the activation of various cyber assets, and systems are being acquired in greater than normal amounts. Could be nothing, but the timing seems a bit odd.

Hmmm, the new year is shaping up to be quite interesting; very much in keeping with the expected timeline outcome.

pontificator
01-08-2020, 01:18 AM
The Iran Vs USA war has kicked off, I am currently following the reports as waves of Iranian ballistic missiles are sent out (2nd wave at time of this message.) US response is moving out.

epo333
01-08-2020, 02:04 AM
The Iran Vs USA war has kicked off, I am currently following the reports as waves of Iranian ballistic missiles are sent out (2nd wave at time of this message.) US response is moving out.

Yea, its been on the regular news here on the East coast of USA. Now regular programming has resumed. . . Go figure!

Ha! its going to be a very interesting New Year!

calikid
01-08-2020, 04:22 AM
The Iran Vs USA war has kicked off, I am currently following the reports as waves of Iranian ballistic missiles are sent out (2nd wave at time of this message.) US response is moving out.

I cannot help but wonder if the attack (preceiprating event/Death of the General) is politically motivated.
POTUS (possible diversionary tactic): "Impeachment? Dont' bother me with such trivial matters. I have a war to focus on."
Let us hope the reason for bloodshed is a valid international threat, and not simply fodder for someone's political agenda.

pontificator
01-08-2020, 05:17 AM
I cannot help but wonder if the attack (preceiprating event/Death of the General) is politically motivated.
POTUS (possible diversionary tactic): "Impeachment? Dont' bother me with such trivial matters. I have a war to focus on."
Let us hope the reason for bloodshed is a valid international threat, and not simply fodder for someone's political agenda.

While I do believe there is a bit of "Wag the Dog" going on here, there is also an apparent desire by Trump to wreak anything Obama worked on.

This is all still developing, I see a passenger jet has now crashed near Tehran, possibly unrelated.
The Iranians are claiming self-defence under Article 51 of the UN charter. Which, oddly, is correct; targeting a military base involved in the assassination of a head of state.

calikid
01-12-2020, 09:53 PM
While I do believe there is a bit of "Wag the Dog" going on here, there is also an apparent desire by Trump to wreak anything Obama worked on.

This is all still developing, I see a passenger jet has now crashed near Tehran, possibly unrelated.
The Iranians are claiming self-defence under Article 51 of the UN charter. Which, oddly, is correct; targeting a military base involved in the assassination of a head of state.

The passenger jet was shot down by the Iranians.
Have to give them credit, they manned up and acknowledged a mistake was made
Sounds like post Iranian missile launch on the US air bases, they were expecting retaliation and fired on the airliner in a case of mistaken identity.
On the other hand.... I have heard theories that the Ukrainian airliner was full of foreign intelligance types getting out of the country, and that the airliner was intentionally shot down to "eliminate" those foreign agents.

pontificator
01-16-2020, 07:51 AM
The nascent beginnings of biomechanical machines: https://fossbytes.com/scientists-develop-worlds-first-living-robot-using-frog-cells-ai/

pontificator
01-28-2020, 08:25 AM
You can watch the spread of 2019-nCoV (Wuhan Coronavirus) to a reasonable degree of accuracy here: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
I'm expecting students from China this and next week... oh joy.

Longeyes
01-28-2020, 03:42 PM
Scary stuff was hoping it was going to slow down but looks like exponential growth. Pretty much doubling every day. Could be 4.8 million by 7th Feb, 1.2 billion by 14th Feb, total world population by 17th Feb. With an estimated 2.4% death rate that's 186 million dead. Let's hope it stays contained but it always gonna be the poorest countries which suffer the most from something like this. :/

epo333
01-29-2020, 02:24 AM
Almost 4 days ago . . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk5P_iRYwTY&feature=emb_logo

pontificator
02-05-2020, 09:06 AM
Almost 4 days ago . . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk5P_iRYwTY&feature=emb_logo

He's certainly picking up now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV6IEdPc7AY

The Chinese figures are highly inaccurate, due to the rate at which they are cremating the dead, and also don't test the dead to see if they were infected. A common theme I am seeing is that a person who is not tested is not infected... you don't have to be a genius to see that they are panicking. Depending on how all this goes, there are going to be serious repercussions worldwide, the biggest eyeopener will be how everyone treats each other.

An aside, I am being checked more frequently, especially when I am making decisions. My methodology for problem solving seems to be of more interest, where I start complex and then reduce it down to the simplest form possible; effective to efficient.

A ridiculous aside: I have an old bed-sheet which has given up the ghost, it's simply worn out. However, I also realised that about 7 ish years ago a grey ("The Vet") crawled over it. Do you think there is a market, and how much could it potentially be worth?

epo333
02-05-2020, 02:34 PM
He's certainly picking up now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV6IEdPc7AY
A ridiculous aside: I have an old bed-sheet which has given up the ghost, it's simply worn out. However, I also realised that about 7 ish years ago a grey ("The Vet") crawled over it. Do you think there is a market, and how much could it potentially be worth?


Well you could try putting that on ebay, I've found that people buy just about anything on there!!!

Also I see there is severe flooding in your area, right?

pontificator
02-06-2020, 08:54 AM
Well you could try putting that on ebay, I've found that people buy just about anything on there!!!

Also I see there is severe flooding in your area, right?

Thankfully I've not had that up this way, the Milford Sound area is a fair bit south of Auckland (and on the other island). As it is, I really could do with a bit of rain as I have some wild grapes growing; I've been cultivating these a bit as they are one of the few things that actually grows for me, even if they are a bit strong.

Maybe I should put it on eBay and see what happens, for a lark... can't take it seriously, after all ;)

A whole pile of evacuees arrived in NZ from China, so they are now in quarantine.

BTW, look at this: https://www.rt.com/news/480125-coronavirus-patient-escapes-quarantine-salzburg/
If those dates are correct, then she could only have caught it in NZ, assuming that is what she has.

pontificator
02-24-2020, 07:35 AM
If you have not stocked up on long-term storage ration packs, then I recommend you do so now. A good quality set of water filters and water storage would be a good idea as well. You can probably get everything else through exploration later.
In several weeks, we will see the first wave of business closures due to Chinese parts not being available for the JIT [just in time] economy most countries run.
While I'm not absolutely sure on how bad things will get, I'm pretty sure we're not far off now. If you can, stock some long-term stable Antibiotics, it's a good idea to have those anyway.

Even if everything blows over, you'll be prepared for problems, so it's a good exercise all round. I've been getting pieces of gear for years, for a simpler kind of life ;) Also, if it requires power, batteries, gas, or fuel oil, then it's only good for the short-term. Things break and wear-out, so keep in mind that if you rely on something like that for survival, and no help is coming, then your days are very much numbered.

Oh, and make sure you know where all your friends actually live, and how to get there on foot, and also make sure you all have a common meeting spot. You may very well need to group up.

montalk
02-24-2020, 11:47 AM
I'd been wondering for years how/why the 2020s were going to be so rough as "foretold." Well here we are with a black swan event that may kick things off. Hoping it fizzles out, but at the moment it's still gaining momentum.

I've heard it said in multiple places that governments have to weigh the consequences of telling people to prepare and thereby risk inciting a panic that collapses the economy (which would kill an untold number), versus keeping it quiet to maintain order and economic stability while covertly preparing until the very last moment (which would kill those who die because they failed to prepare in time).

Since the latter option seems safer to some authorities, there are now reports of gag orders and news and social media censorship (under the guise of combatting fake news) not only in China but western countries too. This means you won't necessarily get timely accurate information from the big mainstream news sources.

Here are a couple places to stay updated on the latest:

Dr. John Campbell - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/Campbellteaching/videos)

Peak Prosperity - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/ChrisMartensondotcom/videos)

Reddit - r/coronavirus (https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/)

Reddit - r/china_flu (https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/)

Here's a general prepping guide I wrote for my site a while back, updated periodically:

Survival and Emergency Preparedness (https://montalk.net/notes/survival-and-emergency-preparedness)

The problem with prepping used to be that you didn't know what to prep for exactly, since anything could happen. Well, here's a rare situation where based on what's happened/happening in China, Hong Kong, Singapore, Italy, and Iran you have a preview of what could happen in your country if things aren't handled there. Mostly it's been food and daily essentials like toiletries, hygiene products, disinfection products, and personal protective equipment (N95 masks and such) that have been running out.

The supply chain issue is a big deal like Pontif said. China's been trying to start up factories again but immediately new infections are detected among the workers and the factory goes into lockdown again. It's going to be tough for them to get things running with that happening over and over. So much of the international economy depends on China for its cheap labor, raw materials, and manufacturing.

China shutting down is like stopping the heart, which then stops the other organs. Most antibiotics and medical supplies used in U.S. hospitals are made in China. Generic drugs manufactured in India are made from chemicals made in China. Electronics and auto manufacturers often depend on Chinese components. If it takes them 6 months to get back online, that's going to create an economic earthquake elsewhere.

That's compounded by potential shortages caused by panic buying once authorities admit there's a problem and begin implementing regional quarantines. Further, hospitals are already understaffed and overburdened; can't imagine they're well prepared to handle double the volume due to coronavirus.

This whole thing is stress-testing the system in every way.

epo333
02-24-2020, 09:02 PM
Glad to see you two paying attention to the pandemic coming in the days ahead. (How many Italys, South Koreas, Irans or Japans are there in other parts of China?)

I finally secured a box/10 N95 masks from Lowes today. They were bought out of N100 and N95 two weeks ago by someone who shipped them all to China. A person I worked with there a few years ago let me know when the bulk delivery was coming, That store received about 20bx/10ea.

This site below is normally a financial site!! (YouTube)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWJBJq-tVsc

In Italy, South Korea, Iran and Japan, there are rapidly increasing clusters of cases, threatening to get out of control. Yet they all stemmed directly or indirectly from someone who'd come from China, and who was infected.

Just one infectious person can start an outbreak.

But before Wuhan was locked down, five million Chinese traveled... not to Italy, South Korea, Iran or Japan, but to other parts of China.

pontificator
02-28-2020, 08:19 AM
Wish me luck, it has arrived: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12312691

epo333
02-28-2020, 12:28 PM
Wish me luck, it has arrived: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12312691

I know the feeling . . . stay safe!:ufo:

pontificator
03-02-2020, 07:25 AM
I know the feeling . . . stay safe!:ufo:

Hopefully.

So, my friends have a slight problem in that they can't buy Loo rolls because they sold out.
Yes... within 24 hours the shoppers went crazy.

As it is, I'll see if my own online bulk-buying experiment works. If it works, 210 mixed cans will be arriving, or a much smaller selection.
Either way, it'll supplement the 60 days of survival rations I already have stocked. It's just with the way things are going, I need to stock up large for the rest of the year ;)

Note: People were bulk buying vegetables, fruit and bread... terrible waste, most of it will be rotting before they can use it.
Further Note: I might now have a practical use for that old crawled upon by an alien bed-sheet after all, if the loo roll problem does not rectify in time.

Psi Note: I've been on automatic buying bits here and there, that usually only happens if I need them; no, I don't know what that's about either, but it is useful. I also now have a very comfortable bed... not sure if that is a bad sign or not. Also, many things have been looking in psi wise, old ones, some newer ones, a real mix of signature types. That's probably a very bad sign.

epo333
03-02-2020, 03:20 PM
Hopefully.

So, my friends have a slight problem in that they can't buy Loo rolls because they sold out.
Yes... within 24 hours the shoppers went crazy.

As it is, I'll see if my own online bulk-buying experiment works. If it works, 210 mixed cans will be arriving, or a much smaller selection.
Either way, it'll supplement the 60 days of survival rations I already have stocked. It's just with the way things are going, I need to stock up large for the rest of the year ;)

Note: People were bulk buying vegetables, fruit and bread... terrible waste, most of it will be rotting before they can use it.
Further Note: I might now have a practical use for that old crawled upon by an alien bed-sheet after all, if the loo roll problem does not rectify in time.

Psi Note: I've been on automatic buying bits here and there, that usually only happens if I need them; no, I don't know what that's about either, but it is useful. I also now have a very comfortable bed... not sure if that is a bad sign or not. Also, many things have been looking in psi wise, old ones, some newer ones, a real mix of signature types. That's probably a very bad sign.


pontificator;

I've always maintained supplies due to living in snow country, I consume what I stock and replenish as needed. the last three weeks, I've increased my supplies to three months. this last Saturday I saw the first indications of the people starting to take the pandemic seriously. 40lbs rice bags shelves 80% M-T, sugar, flour, thermometers, cleaning wipes, gloves, on, and on . . .

Anyhow we just had our first case in the state down in Manhattan. I'm surprised we didn't get hit sooner cause of all the air and sea ports down there . . .

If it gets really bad, stay 6 feet from people if you have to do business out in public. Ha!!!, if anyone gets in my comfort zone. I think I'll start coughing and hacking, and look sickly. You think people will back off . . . lol

pontificator
03-03-2020, 09:21 AM
pontificator;

I've always maintained supplies due to living in snow country, I consume what I stock and replenish as needed. the last three weeks, I've increased my supplies to three months. this last Saturday I saw the first indications of the people starting to take the pandemic seriously. 40lbs rice bags shelves 80% M-T, sugar, flour, thermometers, cleaning wipes, gloves, on, and on . . .

Anyhow we just had our first case in the state down in Manhattan. I'm surprised we didn't get hit sooner cause of all the air and sea ports down there . . .

If it gets really bad, stay 6 feet from people if you have to do business out in public. Ha!!!, if anyone gets in my comfort zone. I think I'll start coughing and hacking, and look sickly. You think people will back off . . . lol

*chuckles* Well, that order turned up. About 10% shy of what it should be, so the items that sold out completely were SPAM (still got corned beef fine,) canned sweetcorn, canned mushrooms(!), canned soup ravioli with tomato and beef, bulk porridge oats, white rice but not brown. All the good stuff, or at least what I consider is good, came through fine. I'll be investigating the store tomorrow for some items I wanted to add later, when they restocked.

On the fruit front, at least I have piles of wild grape vines growing around the property. Everyone thinks they are vile, but I find the strong taste much better.