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    Why Does UFO Intelligence Make Experiencers Look Ridiculous?

    Why Does UFO Intelligence Make Experiencers Look Ridiculous?

    Joseph Burkes MD 2014

    Contact Scenario: A UFO witness reports strange visitations of non-human beings. While in a dream like state she believes she is repeated taken through the wall of her bedroom and floated into a UFO.

    What is the purpose of the high strangeness aspects of the contact experience? Does it reflect an alien technology that is so far advanced compared to ours that it appears to contradict the laws of nature, at least as we know them? Perhaps, but are there more subtle reasons?

    According to noted UFO researcher Dr. Jacques Vallee, the bizarre nature of many contacts may have a number of important purposes.

    First of all high strangeness shows us that UFO intelligence is totally different from us. The so-called “aliens” behave as if the rules of time and space, cause and effect are not operational when we encounter them. They are so strange that according to Dr Vallee they appear not to be from some other planet but rather from “another dimension.”

    Dr. Jacques Vallee asserts that UFO intelligence deliberately introduces many absurd elements into contact events and that they have a staged quality to them. One direct result of this kind of theater of the absurd is to allow the authorities, media, government officials and academia to ridicule contact experiencers. If this is a deliberate strategy by UFO intelligence what might the purpose be?
    Writing in his classic book “The Invisible College,” Dr Jacques Vallee suggested nearly 40 years ago that one purpose might be to allow our leaders to readily dismiss reports of contact. While at the same time these seemingly absurd occurrences have a profound impact not only on individuals who are being contacted but also on society in general. Perhaps just below the surface of our awareness these apparently absurd encounters have a powerful effect on humanity’s collective consciousness.

    Slowly overtime the effect may be to change our existing belief systems. The purpose of UFOs may not be to visit our planet but rather to transform human consciousness itself!
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    Senior Member atmjjc's Avatar
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    If you study UFO experience long enough at some point you should become aware how complex this subject really is.

    It so seems that we humans have been deprived of the big picture. Do we have the biological capacity to even begin to understand the big picture?
    We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull.
    ~ George Orwell ‘1984’

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    One of the reasons for Jacques Vallee's widespread and enduring popularity is that he explored many hypotheses and gave some respect to all of them. His readers over the years have felt that he pursued avenues of thought that were similar to their own and tried to answer them with sincere regard. In contrast UFOlogy in general has not been so respectful of various hypotheses, sometimes through ridicule, often by exclusion from discussion or the literature, sometimes by agreement, spoken or unspoken by individuals and factions within the field. For a time in the first decades of organized UFO research, reports of contact with UFO occupants were considered to be so outlandish and impossible that they were ignored. Some groups actively suppressed these reports because they believed that to include them would bring ridicule on more serious research in UFOlogy. Also at this time, the Contactees sometimes appeared to be less than sane, hoaxers for profit, or prone to exaggeration to bring attention to their claims. Many see these early years of UFOlogy as a mess of factionalism, self censorship, and almost cults of personality. Early Contactee accounts have never fully recovered from their own excesses and the "giggle factor" used to suppress and marginalize them.

    This makes the works of people like Vallee, Hynek, and Len Stringfield so important. They brought balance, inclusion and open discussion of various theories and reports back to a field that had become a mess of political correctness and factional infighting, which made it all the more easy for the PtB to use ridicule to smear the whole subject as "just a bunch of cranks and crackpots".

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    Garuda, Doc and atmjjc,

    Great statements.

    It is truly complex, and we must remain open to any number or combination of scenarios.

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    " at this time, the Contactees sometimes appeared to be less than sane, hoaxers for profit, or prone to exaggeration to bring attention to their claims."

    And were the phenomena less complex, less complex results would be taking place. In the balance of cue - response this indicates that the cues, the experiences, or claimed experiences, which are the cues are a large, diverse universe of types. these can be divided into the real and the delusional. Those reporters who are hoaxers, mentally defective or psychologically needy should have their cases separated as unproductive and not extra-ordinary. What that then leaves are cases of higher strangeness, but they too exhibit complexities that are hard to fathom, unless at their heart they too are complex in nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by majicbar View Post

    And were the phenomena less complex, less complex results would be taking place. In the balance of cue - response this indicates that the cues, the experiences, or claimed experiences, which are the cues are a large, diverse universe of types.
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    these can be divided into the real and the delusional. Those reporters who are hoaxers, mentally defective or psychologically needy should have their cases separated as unproductive and not extra-ordinary.
    That is going to be quite the trick.

    The problem is, how do you successfully pick out the mentally unstable from experiencers who have been "handled" so as to make the entire experience appear to be a figment of imagination. How do you uncover the ET who "hoaxes" with his/her victims eyesight, hearing, memory, and "insights" with "mind bending" accuracy?

    I think it is pretty easy to do it if you had similar capacities and could take a look inside of people telepathically and examine them on different levels.

    I think it is hard to do if you have 5 senses and only rely on the inferences of logical deduction of what the [probable] victim tells you about what they think they experienced.

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    Like [for example] if your neighbor encountered an ET who tampered with his/her mind and body. Lets say he/her was inseminated with the strong suggestion that it was all actually a dream experience. And any marks on his/her body were the result of tossing at night. Would you notice it when they visited you on the next day?

    No, because you'd require that person to be honestly [first] aware that something was amiss and actually claim something like that.

    So the first issue is going to be acknowledgement of the victim. I think most people would not come to the conclusion of alien visitation even if all the signs genuinely pointed to it. So you'd only likely see a small number of experiencers out of the full totality.

    Lets face it, the likelihood that your neighbor would even tell you on the first encounter is probably pretty slim. It would probably take multiple encounters and the right kind of realizations until that person consciously acknowledges that something is wrong. Then, maybe, he/she might get around to telling you that something out of the ordinary happened to them.

    And that is assuming that you publicize openly that you are a UFO researcher. I don't think alot of people interested in the subject actually go that far. So add a layer of obscurity as to whom to talk to. I doubt the abductee's/experiencers that go to meeting and support groups are there because it was "a light touch" that got them there. (Though perhaps I assume too much?)

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    So you have the first problem of acknowledging that there is something to talk about.
    The next problem you have is whom to find to talk to.

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    That is where the craziness is the secret sauce. I'd imagine that most people would be alot less willing to talk about their experiences if they too think they must be crazy. I think that experiencer is more likely to avoid telling their story if they aren't as traumatized.

    So what is the [ET] solution if you want to keep that person at a distance from a researcher? Make them sound totally loony. Give them the full workup "of crazy" while they are in the company of the ET. That way, they can't even really stomach letting their "crazy story" come out of their own lips.

    OR

    You could also massage the victim until they feel so loopy with love that they are absolutely gung-ho to talk about the benevolent space brothers.

    That sort of "crazy" doesn't come from just any spray bottle. No sir, it takes quite a bit of telepathic massaging to get someone to that point.

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    Now get 10 different people, massage them each into 10 different conflicting storylines [templates] and you have a marvelous smoke screen. They can hardly even stand to be in the same room.

    You've got the ones who think they are all evil, the others who think they are all good. Those that think the ET are actually Black Ops. etc.

    10 different researchers take 100 individuals like these under their wings to try to make heads or tails out of these stories. Sure, they see some consistencies, though they don't really always know what they are looking at. Some of them even accidentally become aware that some of those victims are still watched between sessions and massaged a little more.

    Some of the smarter researchers might even realize there is some kind of intentional psy-ops on a whole different level. But not too often do any of those smart ones ever agree on anything specific. (because it is all very "confusing" and "nebulous", with all those variations and plot lines)

    They figure out the pieces and parts but are reluctant to put it into perspective. Because often it is [apparently] popular to believe there is no "perspective". Some will go out on a limb and write a book or three on a specific tangent. But the playing field doesn't seem to advance due to all the confusion.

    Due to that confusion most of public society appears to think there is nothing at all to it, until they see an occupant or a UFO that doesn't quite look from around here. Anyone who does say anything legitimate sounding will usually find 3 or 4 copies who say the same thing but slightly differently and contradictory so as to confuse any listeners as to who is a real Mckoy (sp?).

    That is where people finally decide, lets throw out these because they sound too crazy.
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    Lets throw out these because these have solid evidence vs these.

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    Of course, ET's don't align themselves with raving messianic lunatics they themselves had a hand on creating. Doing UFO flips and dives in the air and give outward propaganda to be forwarded to anyone who'll hear their victims messianic rants. Not to mention the pow-wows on "calling" them on the middle of some deserted beach using telepathic calling or whatever.

    Cause they aren't known to do those kinds of non-sense things....

    Oh wait....(yes, they really do!)




    Quote Originally Posted by majicbar View Post
    What that then leaves are cases of higher strangeness, but they too exhibit complexities that are hard to fathom, unless at their heart they too are complex in nature.
    Sometimes you just have to hear that heart of that beast to get an idea for it's rhythms. (I said it poetically?)
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    Let’s take a look at delusion thinking for a moment. In my opinion the word ‘delusional’ is a much exaggerated and over-used word which has lost most of its true meaning. I see it used a quite often as a bullying tactic, mostly on political sites, to diminish a person’s point of view with a ‘ha ha’ cynicism. If you want to try and understand it in psychoanalytical terms you would be looking at ‘Delusional Disorder’ in which the DSM organizes it into 7 specific types. There are arguments which go back and forth in the analytical structure of delusional disorder, for example most people on the planet earth believe in a God or gods as a belief system, so would anyone who believes in a god, God or gods who practice a form of religion or belief, which is the better half of this planet, would they fit into delusional disorder? … Well, that depends on who is doing the analysis <sarcasm>.

    @majicbar

    You bring up a good point with cue-response and may want to check out multi memory systems in episodic memory formation and rapid encoding formations on the hippocampus. Sort of a spatial recognition related to consciousness which also involves multi memory systems of consciousness which in my estimations is sort of a learnt spatial system trigger related to certain systems of the brain in repetition response on location switching of brain function. I am also wondering if it might be associated with genetic memory of some sort. It may also be related to how our brain perceives time.

    Anyway you might find it interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by majicbar View Post
    " at this time, the Contactees sometimes appeared to be less than sane, hoaxers for profit, or prone to exaggeration to bring attention to their claims."

    And were the phenomena less complex, less complex results would be taking place. In the balance of cue - response this indicates that the cues, the experiences, or claimed experiences, which are the cues are a large, diverse universe of types. these can be divided into the real and the delusional. Those reporters who are hoaxers, mentally defective or psychologically needy should have their cases separated as unproductive and not extra-ordinary. What that then leaves are cases of higher strangeness, but they too exhibit complexities that are hard to fathom, unless at their heart they too are complex in nature.
    If I read correctly what you've written, I think some of the contactee accounts are of complex and strange phenomena that represent real experience which were reported with greater accuracy by the more "sane and sober" among the contactees and less so by others who were not as well functioning. Therefore, some thought delusional may not be so--but instead a real event reported in a very strange way.

    Van Tassell's Giant Rock and Integraton are marvelous stories. The alien encounter before witnesses out in the desert North of 1000 Palms on Interstate 10 took place in a remote place. The verifiable facts of geography etc. are supportive in a minor way of this very strange old contactee story--so for me it isn't hard to believe that some relatively sane people saw real but strange things and are thought to be crazy because the stories are pretty crazy.

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