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    Covid 19 bill started a 180 day countdown for UFO disclosure....

    President Trumpís signature Sunday on the $2.3 trillion COVID-19 relief and government funding bill started a 180 day countdown for the Pentagon and spy agencies to say what they know about UFOs.

    Advanced Aerial Threats

    (3rd paragraph under section Section 513. Sense of Congress on Third Option Foundation)

    The Committee supports the efforts of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force at the Office of Naval ntelligence to standardize collection and reporting on unidentified aerial phenomenon, any links they have to adversarial foreign governments, and the threat they pose to U.S. military assets and installations. However, the Committee remains concerned that there is no unified, comprehensive process within the Federal Government for collecting and analyzing intelligence on unidentified aerial phenomena, despite the potential threat.


    The Committee further directs the report to include:
    1. A detailed analysis of unidentified aerial phenomena data and intelligence reporting collected or held by the Office of Naval Intelligence, including data and intelligence reporting held by the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force;

    2. A detailed analysis of unidentified phenomena data collected by:
    a. geospatial intelligence;
    b. signals intelligence;
    c. human intelligence; and
    d. measurement and signals intelligence;
    3. A detailed analysis of data of the FBI, which was derived from investigations of intrusions of unidentified aerial phenomena data over restricted United States airspace;

    4. A detailed description of an interagency process for ensuring timely data collection and centralized analysis of all unidentified aerial phenomena reporting for the Federal Government, regardless of which service or agency acquired the information;

    5. Identification of an official accountable for the process described in paragraph 4;

    6. Identification of potential aerospace or other threats posed by the unidentified aerial phenomena to national security, and an assessment of whether this unidentified aerial phenomena activity may be attributed to one or more foreign adversaries;

    7. Identification of any incidents or patterns that indicate a potential adversary may have achieved breakthrough aerospace capabilities that could put United States strategic or conventional forces at risk;


    8. Recommendations regarding increased collection of data, enhanced research and development, and additional funding and other resources.

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    AFAIK the COVID-19 Relief/Stimulus package for $900B was signed last weekend by President Trump after some delay.

    However; President Trump vetoed the $2.3T "National Defense Authorization Act" (NDAA for Fiscal Year 2021) bill.
    It was severed and sent back to Congress the following week, where the veto was overturned by Congressional vote.

    That is to say; your quote was probably not from the "COVID-19 bill", but rather the "NDAA 2021" military funding bill.
    If your quote proves to be true (didn't get red lined or deleted) then we should be getting some pretty interesting FOIA responses about AATIP in the near future!
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    Well I'm no expert in figuring out of the spending messes in the swamp area.

    I would think the "National Defense Authorization Act" would be direct military spending mostly preformed by the Pentagon. The "INTELLIGENCE AUTHORIZATION ACT" on the other hand would be overseen by the State Department.

    Ha! the way the money slithers around in Washington, who really knows. Plus most of those three letter entities have other revenue making activities on the side. Some legal, some maybe not.

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    Military and spy agencies accused of stiff-arming investigators on UFO sightings

    03/25/2021 06:53 PM EDT

    A public accounting is proving to be an "onerous job of trying get everyone to come clean," one government adviser said.

    The truth may be out there. But don't expect the feds to share what they know anytime soon on the recent spate of UFO sightings.

    Some military and spy agencies are blocking or simply ignoring the effort to catalog what they have on "unidentified aerial phenomenon," according to multiple current and former government officials. And as a result, the Biden administration will likely delay a much-anticipated public report to Congress.

    The Senate Intelligence Committee has asked the director of national intelligence to work with the Defense Department to provide a public accounting by June 25 on unexplained sightings of advanced aircraft and drones that have been reported by military personnel or captured by radar, satellites and other surveillance systems.

    The request came after revelations in 2017 that the Pentagon was researching a series of unexplained intrusions into military airspace, including high-performance vehicles captured on video stalking Navy ships.

    But those advising the investigations are advocating for significantly more time and resources to retrieve information from agencies that in some cases have shown reluctance, if not outright resistance, to sharing classified information. And they worry that without high-level involvement, it will be difficult to compel agencies to release what they have.

    "Just getting access to the information, because of all the different security bureaucracies, that's an ordeal in itself," said Christopher Mellon, a former Pentagon intelligence official who lobbied for the disclosure provision and is continuing to advise policymakers on the issue.

    Read the whole story here:

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    The following seems to be a good summary for the goings on of the last year or two with respect to UAPs . . .

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    The Pentagon's inspector general is looking into the actions the military has taken to address the spate of UFO sightings in recent years involving high performance aircraft that have violated military airspace.

    The probe comes as Congress awaits a public report, due next month, from a host of national security agencies on the issue, and as advocates complain that some departments and agencies are not fully cooperating by sharing data.

    Two pages at link:

    Edit to add: (Project No. D2021-DEV0SN-0116.000)
    Last edited by epo333; 05-06-2021 at 12:13 AM.

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    So its coming down to the wire for the Defense Department to provide a public accounting by June 25 on unexplained sightings of advanced aircraft and drones that have been reported by military personnel or captured by radar, satellites and other surveillance systems. The request came after revelations in 2017 that the Pentagon was researching a series of unexplained intrusions into military airspace, including high-performance vehicles captured on video stalking Navy ships.

    CHRIS MELLON - Questions For Congress

    Questions for Congress Regarding the Pending UAP Report
    The pending UAP report raises vital questions about what is happening in our skies and the organization and performance of the U.S. intelligence community. Here are some questions I propose for those in Congress charged with protecting the country and overseeing the Intelligence Community:

    1. Why did awareness of the UAP phenomenon have to come from private citizens outside the government devoting several years of their lives to bringing this issue to the attention of the American people and their government? What does this stunning intelligence failure tell us about the U.S. Intelligence Community? How is it possible that these intrusions could continue for years without notice by any senior government officials or even NORAD? What other strategic issues are the intelligence community failing to report due to potential controversy or stigma?

    2. Reportedly, the classified report contains only about 120 incidents. How is that reconciled with the fact that NORAD alone has hundreds of flight tracks per annum it cannot identify?

    3. Recently, former CIA Director John Brennan and former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe revealed they had been briefed on mysterious UAP incidents. Are these incidents accounted for in the report? What about the incident involving a UAP emerging from the ocean mentioned in public by former Navy CNO Admiral Gary Roughead?

    4. Weíve already lost years we might have been using to understand the phenomenon. What are the risks and potential consequences of our continuing inability to identify the capability and intent of those operating these vehicles?

    5. The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Committee (SSCI) asked for a comprehensive review of all U.S. intelligence by functional categories (SIGINT, HUMINT, MASINT, etc.) Which collection disciplines provided useful data and how will the committees determine whether organizations like the CIA were truly forthcoming if they reported no pertinent HUMINT?

    6. Thus far, all the leaked data has involved tactical data from ships and planes. Why should we assume that should remain our focus when we have vastly more powerful radars such as the Ballistic Missile Early Warning System that cover vast regions? Is it really plausible that planes and ships are having recurring incidents but these large systems covering vast areas have not identified anything over long periods of time?

    7. We know that many radar warning systems automatically and deliberately suppress the presentation of data that does not meet known vehicle profiles (e.g. cruise missiles, bombers, ICBMs) in order to reduce screen clutter. How do we know then that systems like BMEWS do not have numerous unreported UAP collection events in their databases? How hard would it be for the contractors managing these systems to search these databases to determine whether significant events may have been collected but not displayed?

    8. We know indisputably from documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act that there have been numerous UAP intrusions at U.S. ICBM and strategic bomber bases and nuclear production facilities (e.g. Hanford and Oak Ridge etc.). How many such incidents does the classified report reveal? If it doesn't reveal any, how credible is that conclusion?

    9. AATIP research reportedly identified a pattern of UAP activity near nuclear weapons facilities. It would not be difficult as well to check civilian databases held by the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) and the National UFO Reporting Center to determine whether there is an unusual amount of UAP activity near major military bases. Has the task force updated AATIPs work and, if so, did they find a pattern of unusual UAP activity in near nuclear facilities as well?

    10. NORAD personnel and FOIA records indicate numerous extraordinary events involving UAPs over North America. Many of these incidents led to fighters being scrambled to try to intercept these objects. How many such events were in the report? If few or none, how credible is the data supplied? My interview with Col. Jim Cobb (USAF-Ret) on the investigative TV Show ďUnidentifiedĒ describes one of many such encounters

    11. Have any allies been approached and asked to share or exchange data? Our best allies, countries like Britain and Canada that we already have trusted relationships and extensive intelligence sharing with (FVEY), are among those it seems we might be able to have a profitable exchange.

    12. Which services and commands reported incidents? I know from numerous pilot interviews that at least some East Coast carrier groups continued to have incidents after deploying to the Middle East. Did CENTCOM or INDOPACOM contribute? What about the USAF? AWACs aircraft personnel have shared stories as have USAF fighter pilots, control tower operators, security officers, and others, including individuals like former astronaut Gordon Cooper. If the USAF had little to report is that because USAF culture deters UAP reporting? It would be interesting to poll USAF pilots and compare the results with the information supplied by the USAF.

    13. How many if any incidents were there of on-orbit UAPs or UAPs rising to or descending from orbit?

    14. Which sensor systems proved most useful and what does that tell us about ways we can improve UAP collection going forward?

    15. At least one retired officer from the USAF Office of Special Investigations (OSI), Richard Doty, claims that the USAF is secretly investigating UAPs and indeed is working on reverse-engineering recovered vehicles. Has the UAP TF reviewed OSIís files? Has Congress or the UAP TF talked to Mr. Doty? If not, why not?

    16. A number of former USAF officers involved in UAP incidents report they were debriefed by OSI and required to sign NDAs. An example occurred near Stephensville TX in 2008. FAA radar and 30 civilian witnesses reported a huge UAP but when two USAF F-16 pilots who attempted to intercept the object were later interviewed they told cleared AATIP investigators they could not discuss the issue because they signed USAF NDAs. A thorough review of OSIís UAP files and all USAF UAP NDAís should be the top priority for Congress and the UAP TF.

    17. Richard Doty, formerly of USAF OSI, claims OSI spied on civilian UAP researchers, even breaking and entering homes and feeding them disinformation. One of the prominent targets, Paul Bennewitz, a resident of Arizona, became unstable and eventually committed suicide. Are these activities not plainly unlawful? Why has the DoD Civilian Oversight Official or Congress not investigated?

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    Great questions.

    Given how dangerous and remote drones can be, it just seems impossible that they haven't made a conclusion on these. There is no way these ships are going to tolerate something that might be a drone in their air space. They are going to shoot it down, or launch a fighter craft to identify it. That object either gets identified by the pilot, shot down and identified, or the object escapes them, which is a clear sign of intention. If it exhibits intentions they are going to take that very seriously.

    There was a FOIA document that talked about using the tendency of UFO denial to penetrate another nations air space by appearing to be a UFO which would go unreported or ignored. So if they identified intention in it's behavior, which seems inescapable, then their first notion is another nation. That they are still without an answer would suggest they view it as something with inscrutable intention and capability, and not from another nation, whose intentions would be well anticipated.
    Last edited by Sansanoy; 06-14-2021 at 10:56 PM.

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    Lue Elizondo calls in @ 1 hr 22 mins, it's only 20 mins long but well worth listening to.
    Has meet with the IG and reports back by all accounts things are going well, everyone is taking it seriously. It's not US tech it's not the Russians or Chinese.
    Think he has seen the report and Congressional hearings are apparently on the cards.
    Fingers crossed
    Last edited by Longeyes; 06-21-2021 at 10:22 AM.

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    Thanks for the video Longeyes . . .

    Are we on the edge of our seats?

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