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  1. #21
    The issue is reproducible categorical evidence of what it actually is. You can't take those radar plots and say with 100% certainty that it was NHI when there is the equally remote possibility it was some form of atmospheric condition, or adverserial radar spoofing. Scientists need to reproduce that data to confirm how they were made, and in the end they are only trace evidence.

    I must admit if I was KirkPatrick, I wouldn't have been anymore forthcoming with claims of NHI without some form of craft or technology that I could present and have hardcore scientific data. In the end, in this day and age of fake imagery and mistrust in government, it is the only way to get disclosure; otherwise NHI might as well be Angels and demons for all we know.

  2. #22
    Yep well that's what they want you to think, it's all floaty balloons and kites. I don't buy it for a moment , the evidence they have is more than enough to conclude we are not alone. They just need to release the details and let us look at the cases.
    Kirkpartrick is downplaying the evidence as strongly as he possbily can, it's disingenous that you can't conclude some of these UAPs not ours. Radar is pretty good nowadays, multiple sensors can easily discount spoofing etc and they admitted many of the cases were recorded on multiple sensors. The most underhand thing they've done is to hide everything underneath this veil of statics that makes you believe that they done some kind of clever analysis, but are really just trying to obscure the facts.

    I think there was one thing he said that told you everything we needed to know, these 'orbs' were observed going from stationary to Mach 2 instantaneously. If you have that on multiple sensors and multiple instances...
    Explain that in modern physics and engineering? For what we currrently understand there is nothing that we could build that could sustain or create that kind of g-force and fly.
    And they don't show any signs of conventional propulsion and they are also quite often invisible to the human eye. There is only one conclusion you can make - the technology is better than ours.

    If he wanted to prove these things displayed superior techonology to human tech he could had done so by providing the actual evidence from the 600 or so encounters AARO has. Just take the Tic Tac, it showed up on the Princeton's radar and other ships, the F18 pilot radar was jammed by it, multiple witnesses, FLIR footage, the unreleased submarine data, it's ability to get to Lt Fravor's CAP pt in secs, they zipped from 60,000 ft to 200 ft in 0.78 secs. Doesn't sound so flimsy now does it? The reason why it does sound so flakey is they aren't sharing any of the actual data! It speaks for itself.
    How is do you think someone like Lue Elizondo and his team of scientists and engineers came to their conclusions?

    They haven't released any really revealing videos either like for instance a UAP performing a 90 degree turn - for the very obvious reason even a simpleton can understand that is not natural. It would be conclusive for a lot of people and that's why they aren't releasing them. Try executing a 90 turn while you're walking let alone at Mach 2.
    They just need to tell us. Then we can start moving on.

    People came to this simple conclusion 70 yrs ago - we aren't alone, and it's just inconceivable to me that they haven't tried everything they possibly could within the confines of super secrecy to understand and reengineer the technology. There must be and have been hundreds if not thousands of people in the know about this.

    And that is about to come to light, and the problem with those trying to keep a lid on this, is they 've got whistleblowers coming to AARO, the Congress and Senate Intelligence Comittee and telling them about reverse engineering projects.
    If we have people working on other world technology do you not think they might have concluded long long ago that we are dealing with NHI? Of course have they just don't want to tell us.
    Last edited by Longeyes; 06-03-2023 at 09:19 AM.

  3. #23
    Don't get me wrong, I am personally sure they are not ours and conclude they are NHI. But conclusion is not ultimate proof. I mean, they already said they weren't ours last year, but saying what and where from is a much higher bar that does indeed require biological material and contact. If it comes from a splinter civilization below the oceans that is still human, then does it make it a NHI?

    As you rightly say they is plenty of evidence it is not ours, and KirkPatrick is definitely being obtuse, but this is a pivotal point in history and could go a number of ways. I would stop to dot my "i"s and cross my "t"s too.

  4. #24
    I think you need a particular type of person to feel it’s their obligation to tell us we’re not alone.
    I don’t think Kirkpatrick is the guy, we need another Lue Elizondo but doubt that will happen.

    Sorry to vent my frustration but, you know, if they have downed craft there’s absolutely no question we are dealing with some NHI or breakaway civilisation like you say. We should have been told.

    Chris Melon has just released an article about it in Politico

    “If the Government Has UFO Crash Materials, It’s Time to Reveal Them
    The benefits to humanity outweigh the fear of discovering we’re not alone in the universe.”

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Longeyes View Post
    Haven’t had a chance to watch it yet re Weaponised

    But thought Garry Nolan’s talk at the SALT conference was amazing.
    He really stuck his neck out there. All kudos to him
    I see that YouTube has been removed now!!!

    I hate it when that happens . . .

    15,459 views May 18, 2023

  6. #26

    A former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin.

    The information, he says, has been illegally withheld from Congress, and he filed a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his confidential disclosures, reported here for the first time.

    Other intelligence officials, both active and retired, with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies, have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off the record.

    The whistleblower, David Charles Grusch, 36, a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a veteran of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO). He served as the reconnaissance office’s representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from 2019-2021. From late 2021 to July 2022, he was the NGA’s co-lead for UAP analysis and its representative to the task force.

    Much more ay link:

    edit to add:

    5,417 views Jun 5, 2023

    my comment; Astounding!
    Last edited by epo333; 06-05-2023 at 05:05 PM.

  7. #27
    The interview is going to be in this channel in the US tonight

    Their tweet…

    A military whistleblower claims a secret UFO retrieval program within the U.S. government has recovered “non-human origin technical vehicles." Hear from the whistleblower on "Elizabeth Vargas Reports" at 6p/5C.

    Find your channel:
    Last edited by Longeyes; 06-05-2023 at 09:07 PM.

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  9. #29
    Thanks Epo
    This is great isnt' it?

    On 'Need to Know' Ross Couthard said David Grusch's job was to brief the West Wing and President, he was cleared for over 2000 SAPs.
    His testimony was authorised by the Defense Dept Prepublications Security Review and that the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community called what he had to say as ' Urgent and credible'

    Also more of the interviews coming on Newsnation and they hope to be able to release the full 4 hr interview with him at some pt. And if not he and Bryce filmed a 3hr interview recorded at Bryce's house they certainly will release.
    Exciting times

  10. #30
    James Fox on Twitter

    I’m told we have 12 — 6 in poor shape and 6 evidently operable. Wasn’t told if we could fly them or not. I didn’t get that far with the individual.

    And also on Twitter

    Reddit /r/UFO
    Sources say the first images of crashed non-human craft will be shared with the public as soon as in 2 weeks.

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