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    Travis Walton Encounter: George Knapp C2C 1-29- 2012

    Travis Walton Encounter
    1am - 5am ET
    10pm - 2am PT

    Date: 01-29-12
    Host: George Knapp
    Guests: Travis Walton, Yvonne Smith
    In this 4-hour special, George Knapp welcomes Travis Walton, who'll discuss his 1975 UFO abduction, chronicled in the book Fire in the Sky. He'll be joined by Steve Pierce and John Goulette, who both witnessed the abduction, as well as UFO abduction expert Yvonne Smith, who founded the Close Encounters Resource Organization.
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    Travis Walton Bombshell: Klass Tried to Bribe Witness

    From Guiliano Marinkovic today:

    Dear Colleagues.

    This audio set could be useful in the future for any kind of public debate
    where arguments versus pseudoskepticism will be needed. In this release I've
    made 2 versions of audios (one version for Broadband users and another for
    Dial up users):

    Audios Download Link (high quality version for broadband users):
    http://tinyurl.com/7xtbqr8
    (25mb)

    Audios Download link (version for dial up users):
    http://tinyurl.com/7a39qnu
    (4mb)

    Excellent companion piece by Don Ecker with audio too:
    http://tinyurl.com/82nok8n

    AUDIO GUIDE IS AT THE END OF THIS POST.

    DESCRIPTION OF THE AUDIO SET:
    As you start to think that there couldn't be anything new within history of
    pseudoskepticism (I equally respect skepticism as any other objective
    research but pseudoskepticsm is a completely separate beast), uninvited
    demons of the past arrived again.

    On January 29, 2012, Travis Walton was a guest on Coast to Coast, and the
    host was George Knapp. I was reading some comments over the internet, but I
    still couldn't found that anyone has mentioned the most important part of
    the show from my perspective. The most exclusive part of the interview was
    rare appearance of Steve Pierce and John Goulette, Travis' companions who
    witnessed UFO incident in 1975. Mostly, in the past, Travis was interviewed
    together with Mike Rogers, so it was refreshing to hear statements from
    other participants.

    During the 4-hour interview, Pierce produced a bombshell. He stated that
    Philip Klass offered him $10,000 bribe to say that the event was a hoax
    (check audio number 4 from the download link on the top of this post).


    Recap of the show is available here:
    http://tinyurl.com/7karbhg

    Has this info about the bribe been in the public domain so far?

    There is no need for a special introduction of infamous Phil Klass, one of
    the founders of CSICOP. CSICOP is now active with a new name - CFI - which
    is a legal successor. I still remember "Strange Days Indeed" - episode of
    the radio show back in September 2005, when Richard Dolan talked about the
    discovery of the Phil Klass letter (check audio number 3 from the download
    link at the top of this post). More on it here:
    http://tinyurl.com/3w4bp7y

    At the time, I was shocked with the specific style of the letter, although
    I've been aware about methods that Klass used. Just to mention other
    problems that he caused to Dr. James McDonald and Professor Robert Jacobs.
    (More on it here:
    http://tinyurl.com/67ppqpp
    Reference about an interesting connection between Phil Klass and admiral
    Bobby Inman is available here:
    http://tinyurl.com/7propxw

    Because of Klass letters, professor Robert Jacobs even get fired from
    University of Maine (check audio clip number 2 from the download link at the
    top of this post).

    Anyway, implication about Klass' bribe of $10000 is obvious. This latest
    revelation should be noted as additional argument versus the integrity of
    institutional continuity of CFI. I hope that you will find it useful. If a
    similar affair was discovered about some first-class UFO researcher, the
    field would be dragged through the mud for years.

    GUIDE FOR THE AUDIO FILES THAT YOU WILL GET AFTER THE DOWNLOAD:

    1. INTRO - PHIL KLASS INTERVIEWED ON VOICE OF AMERICA - January 01, 1978
    (Good introduction to his philosophy of debunking - credits to Faded Discs -
    my extraction from the 30-minute show)

    2. STRANGE DAYS INDEED - INTERVIEW WITH PROFESSOR ROBERT JACOBS - May 4th,
    2002 - source here: http://tinyurl.com/78fvph5
    Jacobs recalls how he lost his job at University of Maine because of Klass.

    3. STRANGE DAYS INDEED - INTERVIEW WITH RICHARD DOLAN - September 24, 2005 -
    source here: http://tinyurl.com/84g34qf
    Richard Dolan comments the discovery of Phil Klass Letter

    4. COAST TO COAST - INTERVIEW WITH STEVE PIERCE - January 29, 2012
    Steve Pierce recalls how Phil Klass offered him $10000 to proclaim a Travis
    Walton case as a hoax.

    5. COAST TO COAST - INTERVIEW WITH TRAVIS WALTON - January 29, 2012
    Travis Walton recounts aftermath of the case, disinformation and Phil Klass'
    attacks.

    Compiled & Edited by:
    Giuliano Marinkovic

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    This is very disturbing. It shows to what lengths someone will go to in order to keep these things quiet. And still, no one is showing any outrage over this.
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    I was surprised when Klass was first exposed as a thoroughly dishonest rat, there wasn't all that much outgrage then, either. I wasn't following this field that closely back then but I do remember it. I had thought Klass was more than just an unreasonable debunker. When he turned out to be much worse than that I thought more would be said. Maybe someone else remembers more. Regardless, this is big news. Klass had been a very influential (if fake) skeptic for years and was the media's favorite "Go-to-Guy" to make any story ridiculous.

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    You have to wonder what would motivate somebody like Phil Klass to offer up such a large sum of money. Attempting to bribe a witness to lie about their experience strikes me as extremely desperate.

    The download links don't work for me though, it says the file has been removed.
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    Here's the show, on youtube:

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    Good find, Lee!


    This is the hot story in The Community today. Emails flying every which way. There is probably some more to come about the reaction, or lack thereof, to Klass being unmasked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    You have to wonder what would motivate somebody like Phil Klass to offer up such a large sum of money. Attempting to bribe a witness to lie about their experience strikes me as extremely desperate.

    The download links don't work for me though, it says the file has been removed.
    I think Phil Klass was offering ten thousand of someone else's money. Doesn't this at least suggest he was being bankrolled to debunk? Most of the UFO 'experts' of the day never had $10K in their hands at once unless they were buying a home.

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    I heard somewhere that the FBI agent (I can't remember his name right now) had been seen in the area before the incident with Walton took place.
    I also found it interesting that Travis said in the C2C interview that he had trouble breathing on the ship. This was the first I remember hearing that (I've only seen the movie a long time ago, I have never read the book). Then Travis tells about a human looking being in a space suit with helmet. Could this have been another human who had trouble breathing the air? This certainly would have warranted spending a great deal of money to get someone to discredit Travis and the event. $10,000 was worth a lot more in the 1970s than it does now. It could have maintained a possible cover-up of humans working with the aliens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    I was surprised when Klass was first exposed as a thoroughly dishonest rat, there wasn't all that much outgrage then, either. I wasn't following this field that closely back then but I do remember it. I had thought Klass was more than just an unreasonable debunker. When he turned out to be much worse than that I thought more would be said. Maybe someone else remembers more. Regardless, this is big news. Klass had been a very influential (if fake) skeptic for years and was the media's favorite "Go-to-Guy" to make any story ridiculous.
    I wasn't surprised by his "outing" as I never trusted him to be the self-proclaimed skeptic he portrayed himself as. I always figured that there was a bankroll behind him or that he had been hired to play this particular role.

    Reminds me of several other "skeptics" and "debunkers" out there today who have no discernible source of income yet have all of the time in the world to pursue the "S&D" role.

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